Where Mary's seemingly deistic identity stems from...

[JoabAnias]

I agree but it does not mean God exhaults mere human men or women. Jesus came from the Father..

Sure it does. Being exalted doesn't mean risen to a deity. Just very blessed by God. Even the crown of heaven doesn't make a human into a deity.

Exault them or bless them? Difference of words there..

Then why isn't that clear in the Scriptures I quoted which all say exalted and mean what you take to mean blessed? I am sticking with what the litteral translation of what the Bible says.

Without free will we are slaves.. Which the scripture tells us we are. We are either slaves to sin or slaves to righteousness...

Even slaves are able to make choices and have free will. In your analogy freedom would seem to be becoming autonomous from God when true freedom is actually to be joined with Him.

True freedom is not permissiveness and license but choosing to do Gods will which is the example of our Savior and His mother.

 

[GBTWC]

Get out of what words exactly? The Scriptures that we're quoted. Sounds like your skirting the issue.

Mary is clearly exalted. Top of the non-Deity pack.

Luk 1:48 For He looked upon the humiliation of His slave woman. For, behold, from now on all generations will count me blessed. 1 Sam. 1:11

Can you show me in scripture where it says anything like this of anyone else?

1 tim 1:15 The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the foremost.

James 2:23 and the scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness"; and he was called the friend of God.

Isaiah 41:8 But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, the offspring of Abraham, my friend

John 15:14 You are my friends if you do what I command you.

[SIZE=+1]Matthew 5:3-10 "Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they who mourn,
for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek,
for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they shall be satisfied.
Blessed are the merciful,
for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure of heart,
for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they shall be called children of God.
Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." [/SIZE]

1 sam 13:14"But now your kingdom shall not endure The LORD has sought out for Himself a man after His own heart, and the LORD has appointed him as ruler over His people, because you have not kept what the LORD commanded you

It proves she was the most humble.

It proves she was obedient like many in the bible​

Here are a couple of good questions;

Why aren't all Christians in agreement on doctrine?

becuase we live in a fallen world

Doesn't Jesus want us to be one?

we are one if Christ is in you

People want to know where a seeming deity can come from, its simple really; misconception or denial of the truth.

Its not impossible to find a false deity. It happens all the time. Its their own error though. There is no error in Sacred and Holy Scripture. Its quite clear. Now that error goes both ways too, just as some may take it to far into idolotry some may not buy it at all into apostacy.

yes but how often do you see the religious practice of people bowing b-4 false statues of saints in protestant churches

I think thats why Jesus said only those could come to Him who the Father gave to Him and why it takes the Holy Spirit to understand every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

Let us pray the Father give us all completely to Jesus. Amen.

we win

 

[MamaZ]

Sure it does. Being exalted doesn't mean risen to a deity. Just very blessed by God. Even the crown of heaven doesn't make a human into a deity.

Being exhaulted means being raised above.. Not blessed..We can see Mary was blessed amoung woman and not above woman. So no exaulting being done there.

μακάριος
makarios
mak-ar'-ee-os
A prolonged form of the poetical μάκαρ makar (meaning the same); supremely blest; by extension fortunate, well off: - blessed, happy (X -ier).

Can you show me in scripture where it says anything like this of anyone else? It proves she was the most humble.

Luk 11:27 While Jesus was saying these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, "Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed."
Luk 11:28 But He said, "On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it."

Why aren't all Christians in agreement on doctrine?

probably because they are not allowing God to lead them but men maybe? Adding or taking away from the scripture may be another reason. Still babies in the faith maybe.. Sheesh who really knows the answer to this.

Doesn't Jesus want us to be one?

Jesus wants us to be one with Him and the Father.. Through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Even slaves are able to make choices and have free will. In your analogy freedom would seem to be becoming autonomous from God when true freedom is actually to be joined with Him.
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So are you saying that even a sinner can chose not to sin because he doesn't want to sin and therefore cease from being a sinner? For a sinner sins because he is a slave to sin.

 

[JoabAnias]

So are you saying that even a sinner can chose not to sin because he doesn't want to sin and therefore cease from being a sinner? For a sinner sins because he is a slave to sin.

We know what God says we shouldn't do right? We then have to choose to be obedient do we not? I know we're weak and God understands when we fall from that weakness and its not always easy to choose NOT to sin even when we know the difference. This is what makes us culpable of those sins and we must repent. Are you saying we shouldn't bother to try not to sin?

 

[MamaZ]

We know what God says we shouldn't do right? We then have to choose to be obedient do we not? I know we're weak and God understands when we fall from that weakness and its not always easy to choose NOT to sin even when we know the difference. This is what makes us culpable of those sins and we must repent. Are you saying we shouldn't bother to try not to sin?

One sins because they are sinners.. It is not a matter of choosing to sin. One would not even have the desire to sin if they were not born sinners. this is the point I am making. So therefore all men born into this world are born sinners. It is not a matter of choosing to sin but rather a matter of being a slave to sin.

 

[GBTWC]