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My stance is simply the standard Christian stance that God creates people who sin.
God created Liberace just as much as He created you and me and if you really need scripture to understand that self-evident fact then I think we are in dire straits here.
God created all of us.
All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
Yet, God loved and loves us while we are yet sinners.
My stance is simply the standard Christian stance that God creates people who sin.
God created Liberace just as much as He created you and me and if you really need scripture to understand that self-evident fact then I think we are in dire straits here.
God created all of us.
All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
Yet, God loved and loves us while we are yet sinners.
It was an honest mistake since you and the author of the post I inadvertantly attributed to you have such similar views. However, I should have been more careful, and I apologize.
Is this an apology?
(asking to be sure as it doesn't really sound like one..)
I might further emphasize that while the views
of Bible believing Christians may be similar, the posting
styles should give some indication as to who is who, even if the
usual fonts and colors used don't give any indication.
Those statements about for instance God made me blind are not sin.
The Word of God in Genesis is clear.In addition the Word of God expounds on the creation account when Sin was introduced to man by the creation of desire.
There are those who like to say that the Bible does not condemn homosexuality. Various verses are cited (out of context) and the verses that people use to show that homosexuality is wrong are explained away. The world wants to change God's words and meanings into something more suitable to its sinful desires.The World tries to change the Genesis account for the same reason. Nevertheless, the truth stands: The Bible condemns homosexuality as a sin.
The homosexual is still made in the image of God -- even though he is in grave sin.
So then you are admitting in several ways here that you believe that
homosexual sex and the union of two of the same sex is indeed sinful and
a deviation from God's perfect plan for mankind before the fall, correct?
Those statements about for instance God made me blind are not sin.The Word of God in Genesis is clear.In addition the Word of God expounds on the creation account when Sin was introduced to man by the creation of desire. There are those who like to say that the Bible does not condemn homosexuality. Various verses are cited (out of context) and the verses that people use to show that homosexuality is wrong are explained away. The world wants to change God's words and meanings into something more suitable to its sinful desires.The World tries to change the Genesis account for the same reason. Nevertheless, the truth stands: The Bible condemns homosexuality as a sin. There follows four pieces of scripture that clearly tell us that the Homosexuality is sin. It should be noted that God gives perpetual sinners over to their passions and hardens their hearts and as a result they refuse to admit to their sin because they do not realize that they are sinning. Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguilt ness is upon them" 1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God." Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper." Homosexuality is clearly condemned by the Bible. It goes against the created order of God. He created Adam and then made a woman. This is what God has ordained and it is what is right. Unlike other sins, homosexuality has a severe judgment administered by God Himself. This judgment is simple: They are given over to their passions. That means that their hearts are allowed to be hardened by their sins (Romans 1:18). As a result, they can no longer see the error of what they are doing. Without an awareness of their sinfulness, there will be no repentance and trusting in Jesus. Without Jesus, they will have no forgiveness. Without forgiveness, there is no salvation. What should be the Christian's Response to the Homosexual? Just because someone is a homosexual does not mean that we cannot love him or her or pray for him or her. Homosexuality is a sin and like any other sin, it needs to be dealt with in the only way possible. It needs to be laid at the cross, repented of, and never done again. As a Christian, you should pray for the salvation of the homosexual the same you would any other person in sin. The homosexual is still made in the image of God -- even though he is in grave sin. Therefore, you should show him same dignity as anyone else you come in contact with. However, this does not mean that you are to approve of their sin. Don't compromise your witness for political correctness and for a socially acceptable premise.There are many out there who want to be saved ,who want to find redemption for their sins,who want to trust Gods Word,who wants to turn away from sin.I myself want to turn away from sin,I am a sinner but I do give praise to God for not hardening my heart against the Truth.One either believes in the creation account or one does not,their is no halfway ground,there is no halfway grounf when it comes to the Word of God condeming homosexuality.May the Lord have mercy on them.It is unfortunete that many do not see the Truth or refuse to see the Truth. (emph. added)
My stance is simply the standard Christian stance that God creates people who sin.
God created Liberace just as much as He created you and me and if you really need scripture to understand that self-evident fact then I think we are in dire straits here.
God created all of us.
All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
Yet, God loved and loves us while we are yet sinners.
This sounds very much like what I have heard referred to as the Gospel of Inclusion.
So then you are admitting in several ways here that you believe that
homosexual sex and the union of two of the same sex is indeed sinful and
a deviation from God's perfect plan for mankind before the fall, correct?
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Since it was a minor faux pas, and one that we all fall into at one time or another, and since there was no insult to either you or the other poster, either intended or actual, I didn't think that abject grovelling was called for. I still don't.
An admission of my error and a rational apology are more than sufficient. It is all I would expect from someone else if I were the one mistakenly credited with someone else's post.
That's true, and if I had looked up the post to quote from it I would have noticed that. However, I paraphrased it from memory.
There's some in there that I would agree with and some that I would disagree with but all of which I would say is beyond the scope of your OP and the main question as to whether or not God created homosexuals.
If you want my honest opinion, I would say that gay sex may or may not be sinful and I would say that the question of as to whether or not it is varies and it is dependent upon the context. I don't believe that inherently sex between two people of the same sex is necessarily sinful however I think many times it can be...
I would say that there are certainly a few condemnations of same sex unions in the Bible but that modernists and followers of Western philosophy like ourselves tend to look at ethical statements in deontic or deontological ways and I believe that is a predisposition that we bring to scriptural exegesis and many times turn that exegesis into isogesis.
I would say that Christianity, overall, puts forth a virtue based ethical system and that the moral commandments set forth by our Lord and Savior are contextually based and all should be looked through the commandment to love one another.The Gospel According to St. Matthew, Chapter 22, Verses 33-43
Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
So then you are admitting in several ways here that you believe that
homosexual sex and the union of two of the same sex is indeed sinful and
a deviation from God's perfect plan for mankind before the fall, correct?
Basically all that has been done is a bunch to tiptoeing through the tulips and around the
hedges in an attempt to dodge the reality that there is NO RECORD of God creating
homosexual people, joining them together and blessing their union in the creation account.
As well, Genesis 2:1 says. "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them."
(which was also pointed out in the OP.) Which clearly indicates that Stumpjumper's allusion to
homosexuals being created at some other point in time is also FALSE.
What God created was a MALE and He created A FE-MALE and He joined them together
and commanded them to be fruitful and multiply. He saw His creation and said it was GOOD.
Any deviation of the action of God to place Male and female
together is NOT of God.
End of story.
Basically all that has been done is a bunch to tiptoeing through the tulips and around the
hedges in an attempt to dodge the reality that there is NO RECORD of God creating
homosexual people, joining them together and blessing their union in the creation account.
Which clearly indicates that Stumpjumper's allusion to
homosexuals being created at some other point in time is also FALSE.
[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]As well, Genesis 2:1 says. "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them."
(which was also pointed out in the OP.) Which clearly indicates that Stumpjumper's allusion to
homosexuals being created at some other point in time is also FALSE.
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