Hmmm . . .so Adam - and PARTICULARLY Eve - are responsible for the creation of homosexual desires, eh ...?
The mind boggles.
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Sexual attractions to other things and same-sex came as sin and error because of the fall and disobedience.
So far we have had a lot of claims that God created homosexuals by implication that He must have done because God created all people. However that doesn’t even address the OP question where is the record in the creation account, on the contrary the scripture shows God didn’t create homosexuals. The Bible says God created man and woman, to be united, so that means He didn’t create homosexuals because homosexuals don’t want to be united man and woman. QED. To suggest God did by implication is a statement of disbelief in what the scripture says in the first place.
No that’s all assumption and not in the scripture so its false assumption as it contradicts what is in the scripture. Your reasoning is not based on false assumption at the expense of the scripture. Faithful union is mentioned by Jesus as God original creation purpose in creating man and woman.The point at hand dividing the two schools of thought here is whether the sinful desires condemned in those passages include the humanly-unchangeable desires felt by people who enter into committed loving romantic-sexual same-sex relationships.
No not possible at all.Just as a man's love for his wife, and his desire for her within the bounds of marriage and her own dignity and integrity, are not condemned by the scriptures against fornication, adultery, incest, etc., etc., is it not possible
assumption! Its doesn’t say that.that the manifest evils God was condemning --patronizing of enslaved boy prostitutes,
assumption, it doesn’t say thatuse of gay sex for new kicks by ennui-laden aristocrats,
assumption! It doesn’t say thatanal sex with the male priest of the local fertility goddess as part of pagan fertility rites,
assumption it doesn’t say that.anal gang rape of strangers in town
these weren’t the eveils described these are the assumed evils with which you try and ignore the same-sex sex condemnations. Its merely massive disbelief.... that it was these manifest evils and not the private loving consensual conduct that aroused His ire?
This is the problem, you are advising people who do not think you are focused on God by demonstration of your disbelief in scripture, to focus on God. Your argument seems more focused on getting others to think the way you do than anything to do with God.Ignore the human "ick factor" and try to focus on God's justice, and have in yourself the mindset with which He judges.
Where does the scripture saya that? No, disobedience and the subsequent knowledge of evil are responsible.Hmmm . . .so Adam - and PARTICULARLY Eve - are responsible for the creation of homosexual desires, eh ...?
The mind boggles.
I have done that’s why I see God created man and woman to be united.I suggest you check your Bible.
Dear Stumpjumper,
I have done that’s why I see God created man and woman to be united.
Colossians 1:16-17 “For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.” Yep all things, including men and women but He created woman for man to be united, not homosexuals which is the opposite of what He created. What is your point there is no mention or concept of homosexual or same-sex union in Colossians 1:16:17
I suggest you check your Bible Romans 1:26 “Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion”
So if you are suggesting the Bible might not be correct why are you bothered?So if the Bible is correct and God created "all things visible and invisible" then you have a problem with arguing that God did not create homosexuals.
Perhaps they were created by some other power, then. If so, then you are wandering right back into various shades of dualism and gnosticism.
I think the best bet for you is to address my questions which will show you your questions are meaningless.I think the best route would be to listen, once again, to scripture and realize that God created homosexuals and everything else...
Its very clear, no mention of homosexual and there wont be as God created man to be united with woman, the very opposite to the homosexual concept.I don't think scripture could be any more clear .
Dear Stumpjumper,
God created man and woman, not homosexuals, He created man and woman to be in union so He obviously didnt create homosexuals who are people who dont want to be in man woman union. So I cant see how you can assume God might have created something opposite to what he created? And I might add the OP puts the onus on you to show where in the record God is supposed to have created homosexuals, the whole false basis of all the arguments.
I think the best bet for you is to address my questions which will show you your questions are meaningless.
Its very clear, no mention of homosexual and there wont be as God created man to be united with woman, the very opposite to the homosexual concept.
So you arent a man or a woman? God created men and woman according to His purposes to be united. Thats what you exist for according to the word of God in Genesis 2, Matt 19, Mark 10, Eph 5 that we are discussing. The Bible is full of the man.woman union, no mention of same-sex unions except condmenation.I am homosexual.
I exist.
So if God didn't create me..... to whom else are you ascribing creative power?
Being homosexual is not the same thing as living a life bound to homosexuality.
Indeed, the question you posed in the OP (AIUI) was not whether God creates people as homosexuals, but whether God creates homosexuals.
There is quite a difference between those two points of view. Whatever one believes about the first possibility, I'd say that the only possible opinion that's consistent with Scripture is that God creates all people, including homosexuals.
(And yes, I realise you've got me set on ignore, for whatever reasons I can't even begin to guess. But meh. Someone else do me a favour and quote this post so IAR can see it, plz.)
David.
No that’s all assumption and not in the scripture so its false assumption as it contradicts what is in the scripture. (emph. added)
Dear Crazy Liz,true, God didnt make anyone gay. He did make people black and whitePerhaps, then, you can explain your argument in view of our perspective.
If I correctly understand your argument, because Genesis does not mention sexual orientation, the statement, "God made me and I am gay" is false.
true. You can see their skin is black or white. Sexual desires are not the same.God made me and I am black. etc
God made each person and obviously God didnt make people with disease as Jesus went round healing sickness.God made me and I have Down syndrome.
Its simple enough as long as one focuses on what the scripture says and not modern concepts of deviant sexual desires contrary to Gods creation purpose. In fact it couldnt be simplerAs you say, it is obvious to everyone that this is not a simple question, but part of an argument.
Please keep in mind the OP question is "Where is the record of God creating Homosexuals in the Creation Account?" and not what others did God create which was the basis of your question.
Dear Criada,
So you arent a man or a woman? God created men and woman according to His purposes to be united. Thats what you exist for according to the word of God in Genesis 2, Matt 19, Mark 10, Eph 5 that we are discussing. The Bible is full of the man.woman union, no mention of same-sex unions except condmenation.
Dear Criada,
So you arent a man or a woman? God created men and woman according to His purposes to be united. Thats what you exist for according to the word of God in Genesis 2, Matt 19, Mark 10, Eph 5 that we are discussing. The Bible is full of the man.woman union, no mention of same-sex unions except condmenation.I am homosexual.
I exist.
So if God didn't create me..... to whom else are you ascribing creative power?
Dear Polycarp1,
No thats all assumption and not in the scripture so its false assumption as it contradicts what is in the scripture. Your reasoning is not based on false assumption at the expense of the scripture. Faithful union is mentioned by Jesus as God original creation purpose in creating man and woman.
No not possible at all.
assumption! Its doesnt say that. assumption, it doesnt say that assumption! It doesnt say that assumption it doesnt say that.
these werent the eveils described these are the assumed evils with which you try and ignore the same-sex sex condemnations.
Phinehas2 said:Its merely massive disbelief.
This is the problem, you are advising people who do not think you are focused on God by demonstration of your disbelief in scripture, to focus on God. Your argument seems more focused on getting others to think the way you do than anything to do with God.
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