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Where is the prophet SAMUEL?

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Is the Prophet Samuel in Hades or in Paradise? Where is Paradise?

It says that when Saul summoned the spirit of Samuel that he came up from the earth. (???)

I would have thought if he was in Paradise, then he would have descended from the Heavens. (???) Why did he come UP? (UP from where?)

Also it says that Lazarus could see Hades and that a chasm divided the two. So is Paradise (down) adjacent to Hades?

Maybe Paradise was moved from DOWN to UP? (???) Huh? Is Paradise synonymous with Heaven? Or are they 2 different places?
 

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Is the Prophet Samuel in Hades or in Paradise? Where is Paradise?

It says that when Saul summoned the spirit of Samuel that he came up from the earth. (???)

I would have thought if he was in Paradise, then he would have descended from the Heavens. (???) Why did he come UP? (UP from where?)

Also it says that Lazarus could see Hades and that a chasm divided the two. So is Paradise (down) adjacent to Hades?

Maybe Paradise was moved from DOWN to UP? (???) Huh? Is Paradise synonymous with Heaven? Or are they 2 different places?

Are these serious questions? Saul did not actually see Samuel the witch had to describe him, 1Sa 28:14. Samuel's body was in the ground his spirit had returned to God Ecc 12:7.

Have you actually read Luke 16:19-32, the story of Lazarus and the rich man?

Luk 16:23 And in hell he [the rich man] lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.​

The rich man was in Hades. Whereever Abraham was, it was up from there and a long way off. The rich man lifted his eyes up.

Paul indicates that paradise and heaven are the same.

2Co 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
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2Co 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.​
 
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Is the Prophet Samuel in Hades or in Paradise?

Samuel is in Hades/Sheol - the realm of the dead.

Where is Paradise?

Paradise is the dwelling place of God. It's located in heaven.

It says that when Saul summoned the spirit of Samuel that he came up from the earth. (???)

I would have thought if he was in Paradise, then he would have descended from the Heavens. (???) Why did he come UP? (UP from where?)

Up from Sheol.

All his sons and all his daughters rose up to comfort him, but he refused to be comforted and said, “No, I shall go down to Sheol to my son, mourning.” Thus his father wept for him. Genesis 37:35

Also it says that Lazarus could see Hades and that a chasm divided the two. So is Paradise (down) adjacent to Hades?

Maybe Paradise was moved from DOWN to UP? (???) Huh? Is Paradise synonymous with Heaven? Or are they 2 different places?

I wouldn't read the story of the rich man and Lazarus as literal.

Who was the intended audience? Was it not both the disciples and the Pharisees?

Personally, I think that story was simply a parable to illustrate what will happen to those who love money more than God.
 
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Is the Prophet Samuel in Hades or in Paradise? Where is Paradise?

It says that when Saul summoned the spirit of Samuel that he came up from the earth. (???)

I would have thought if he was in Paradise, then he would have descended from the Heavens. (???) Why did he come UP? (UP from where?)

Also it says that Lazarus could see Hades and that a chasm divided the two. So is Paradise (down) adjacent to Hades?

Maybe Paradise was moved from DOWN to UP? (???) Huh? Is Paradise synonymous with Heaven? Or are they 2 different places?

I think he was in Death. According to the Bible, Death and Hades gives at the end those who they keep.

The sea gave up the dead who were in it. Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them. They were judged, each one according to his works.
Rev. 20:13
 
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Is the Prophet Samuel in Hades or in Paradise? Where is Paradise?

It says that when Saul summoned the spirit of Samuel that he came up from the earth. (???)

I would have thought if he was in Paradise, then he would have descended from the Heavens. (???) Why did he come UP? (UP from where?)

Also it says that Lazarus could see Hades and that a chasm divided the two. So is Paradise (down) adjacent to Hades?

Maybe Paradise was moved from DOWN to UP? (???) Huh? Is Paradise synonymous with Heaven? Or are they 2 different places?
Samuel had died and was 'buried' in a grave. He was summoned up from that grave.

1 Samuel 2:6 KJV

The LORD killeth , and maketh alive : he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up .

Psalm 30:3 KJV

O LORD, thou hast brought up my soul from the grave: thou hast kept me alive , that I should not go down to the pit.

 
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I will ask you in return... Have you read this? (Again- why is he "down" ???) Where is Samuel?

Samuel 28:13 - He's coming UP out of the earth... and then he asks, why did you bring me UP?

(I tried to insert a quote but the program won't let me paste the text until I've asked 50 questions.)

I answered that, w/ scripture, in my post.

DA said:
Are these serious questions? Saul did not actually see Samuel the witch had to describe him, 1Sa 28:14. Samuel's body was in the ground his spirit had returned to God Ecc 12:7.
 
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Apparently Samuel's spirit stayed with his body until the 'seer' summoned it up from the grave. (???)

For the rest of us, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord - but for some reason Samuel stayed with his body in the grave for a long, long time.

I'm not trying to be flippant here - I'm getting along in years and would like to resolve some of these things while I'm still here. Once out of here, it'll be too late to correct the errors of false teachings.

It surprises me that so few people take the time to try to discover for themselves, what's on the other side of this life. Most just take whatever the present preacher says, so those in one church are going to be with the Lord right away and the parishioners in another are going to have 'soul sleep' until He returns. And there are dozens of other preachers out there teaching a myriad of theological concepts.

It seems that the places we read about are being confused at the alters... Hades, Sheol, Paradise, 1st Heaven, 2nd Heaven, 3rd Heaven, (purgatory?) etc., etc.

Jesus told that fellow on the adjacent cross that the same day, he would be with Him in Paradise. (I won't bother with the scripture address until I do my "50" required.)

Anyway, since Samuel came up out of the earth, he was not apparently with the Lord in Paradise - or if he was, then Saul and his seer must have been someplace above Paradise (not likely).

I wonder if after their encounter if he went back down to be with his body or was then released to go up to Heaven.

Of course if Hades and Paradise are on the same level and only divided by a chasm then he might have gone back down to be with the Lord in Paradise. (???)
 
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Is the Prophet Samuel in Hades or in Paradise? Where is Paradise?

It says that when Saul summoned the spirit of Samuel that he came up from the earth. (???)

I would have thought if he was in Paradise, then he would have descended from the Heavens. (???) Why did he come UP? (UP from where?)

Also it says that Lazarus could see Hades and that a chasm divided the two. So is Paradise (down) adjacent to Hades?

Maybe Paradise was moved from DOWN to UP? (???) Huh? Is Paradise synonymous with Heaven? Or are they 2 different places?
I'm not certain about the accuracy of this, but I've read that Jews in Jesus' time believed that both Paradise and Hades were under the ground, in separate compartments. Paradise was the home of the righteous dead and Hell was the home of the unrighteous dead.

Jesus, imo, seems to speak literally of this very thing in his parable of the rich man and Lazarus. They had both descended into the grave, but one was at peace and the other in torment.

Samuel, being righteous, would've been in Paradise. And if he really did appear, he would've come "up", not "down". Do I think the apparition was truly him? I do, actually, but I suppose that's a separate thread.

My understanding is that when Jesus rose from the dead he emptied Paradise as he "led a host of captives and gave gifts to men". The unrighteous dead are presumably still in Hell awaiting their judgment.

I'm not particularly schooled on this subject, so please take it fwiw. But it's not out of my own head; I've read it from others more educated than myself.
 
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Samuel had died and was 'buried' in a grave. He was summoned up from that grave.
1 Samuel 2:6 KJV

The LORD killeth , and maketh alive : he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up .

Psalm 30:3 KJV

O LORD, thou hast brought up my soul from the grave: thou hast kept me alive , that I should not go down to the pit.


I don't see either of those as a physical resurrection of sorts.

More of a poetic balance of thought.
 
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Apparently Samuel's spirit stayed with his body until the 'seer' summoned it up from the grave. (???)

For the rest of us, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord - but for some reason Samuel stayed with his body in the grave for a long, long time.

I'm not trying to be flippant here - I'm getting along in years and would like to resolve some of these things while I'm still here. Once out of here, it'll be too late to correct the errors of false teachings.

Jesus told that fellow on the adjacent cross that the same day, he would be with Him in Paradise. (I won't bother with the scripture address until I do my "50" required.)I wonder if after their encounter if he went back down to be with his body or was then released to go up to Heaven.
WOW! Please read the following: Psa 115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

Regarding Samuel:
Deu 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
 
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WOW! Please read the following: Psa 115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

The word translated "ascended" is a perfect. active, indicative. The active voice means the subject, in this case Jesus, performed the action. This vs. means "no man has ascended [by his own action] up to heaven"

Regarding Samuel:
Deu 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

Samuel did not consult a witch, Sail did.
 
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Saul acknowledged: “God himself has departed from me and has answered me no more, either by means of the prophets or by dreams; so that I am calling you [Samuel] to let me know what I shall do.” (1[bless and do not curse]Samuel 28:15) Obviously, God would not allow a spirit medium to get around this divine cutoff of communication by getting in touch with a dead prophet and having him deliver a message from God to Saul. Then, too, during the latter part of his life, Samuel himself, a faithful prophet of God, had ceased to have any dealings whatsoever with Saul. Would it not be unreasonable, therefore, to conclude that Samuel was willing to speak with Saul by means of a spirit medium, an arrangement that was condemned by God? Manifestly, there must have been deception involved, something so unclean that spirit mediums and those consulting them merited the death sentence. Saul was not brought in touch with the dead prophet Samuel. It was a wicked spirit impersonating the dead prophet Samuel. That same deception must be behind claimed communication with the dead today.

Jesus often taught a lesson by telling a story through the means of parables or illustrations. In this illustration, the rich man well pictures the Jewish clergy who were well provided for with spiritual provisions; who considered themselves children of the kingdom, clothed in purple; who were very self-righteous, wearing fine linen; and who were proud of being Abraham’s offspring. (Matthew 23:27, 28; Romans 3:1, 2; Revelation 19:8) The beggar Lazarus, whose name means “God is helper,” well pictures the Jewish common people, who were despised by the clergy, who because of neglect were spiritually sick and were hungering and thirsting for righteousness, and who appreciated their need of the Great Physician, Christ Jesus.-John 7:49; Matthew 5:6; Mark 2:17.

The death of the rich man and of Lazarus pictured a change taking place in the relative positions of these two classes. This should be no surprise to us because the Bible shows that death can be used symbolically, representing people as dying or having died though still alive, meaning thereby that a a great change in one’s life or course of action. Compare Romans 6:2, 11-13; 7:4-6; Colossians 3:3; 1[bless and do not curse]Timothy 5:6. A death, or change from former conditions, happened when Jesus fed the Lazarus class spiritually, and they thus came into the favor of the greater Abraham, Jehovah God. At the same time, the false religious leaders “died” with respect to having God’s favor. Being cast off, they suffered torments when Christ’s followers after Pentecost forcefully exposed their evil works. (Acts 7:51-57) So this illustration is not literal and does not teach that some dead persons are tormented in a literal fiery hell.

So, to answer your question, Samuel is still in the common grave awaiting a resurrection.
 
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