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Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?

Is there a "gap" in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9"


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DaDad

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There are two princes in the texts of Daniel 9:25-27, but only one of them is anointed, the other isn't. Between the first week until the 69th week, there is only one anointed prince in the text, not two. The 2nd prince comes after the anointed one is cutoff.

But let's assume you are correct instead.

Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off---per your understanding how did this anointed one get inserted into the text out of thin air, so to speak? Where is the initial introduction of this one if not in verse 25?

History substantiates both an end time fulfillment, and TWO anointed ones (small "a").

It's a travesty that the commentators defy the angelic instructions, and all the dupes (as I also once was) are deceived.

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If I were buying two items at the store, one for 7 dollars and another for 62 dollars, the clerk would ask for 70 dollars. And the receipt would list the two items separately, with the total as 70 dollars.

So, I am not seeing your point. And if I wanted to return one item, it would not be contingent on the other item. I would explain the one item, what is involved with it.
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The pair of shoes is a poor analogy, because a pair of shoes are equal size to begin with. No pair of shoes would be, one shoe size 7 and the other size 62, or some other unequal size each.

The bible says we should not get "drunk", but rather be filled with the Holy Spirit.

No one buys ~a pair of shoes which cost 7 and 62 dollars plus tax~.

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What happened in 7 years from 32to 39ad that fulfilled the 70 weeks

Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
(Christ commanded that the Gospel be taken "first' to the house of Israel. Since 4 Passovers can be found in the New Testament, most Bible scholars believe the earthly ministry of Christ lasted about 3 1/2 years.)

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
(On the Day of Pentecost about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant found in Matthew 26:28.)


Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.


Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.


Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
(Quoted from the promised of the New Covenant in Jeremiah 31:31-34.)
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.


Gal 1:14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
Gal 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
Gal 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
Gal 1:17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
Gal 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days. (Paul went up to see Peter about 3 years after his conversion.)

The Gospel was taken to the Jews "first" for a period of about 7 years before Paul began his ministry to the Gentiles.

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Actually, the a/c is AFTER the seventy, -- "shall come".

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Neither the word "antichrist", nor any implication of antichrist, appear in the passage.
The grammatical antecedents of the "he's" in verse 27 resolve back to Messiah.
 
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The bible says we should not get "drunk", but rather be filled with the Holy Spirit.

No one buys ~a pair of shoes which cost 7 and 62 dollars plus tax~.

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DaDad

So one or more of the Holy Spirit, Gabriel, and Daniel got it wrong. Imagine that.
 
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So isaiah is a false prophet? because he literally states the cyrus will say Jerusalem shall be built.

Isaiah 44:26-28
who says of Cyrus, ‘He is my shepherd,
and he shall fulfill all my purpose’;
saying of Jerusalem, ‘She shall be built,’
and of the temple, ‘Your foundation shall be laid.’”

Letter from Cyrus to governor Sisinnes and ruler Sathrabuzanes, leaders in Syria and Phenice, confirming authorization to rebuild the city as well as the temple.

“KING CYRUS TO SISINNES AND SATHRABUZANES SENDETH GREETING.
"I have given leave to as many of the Jews that dwell in my country as please to return to their own country, and to rebuild their city, and to build the temple of God at Jerusalem on the same place where it was before. I have also sent my treasurer Mithridates, and Zorobabel, the governor of the Jews, that they may lay the foundations of the temple, and may build it sixty cubits high, and of the same latitude, making three edifices of polished stones, and one of the wood of the country, and the same order extends to the altar whereon they offer sacrifices to God. I require also that the expenses for these things may be given out of my revenues. Moreover, I have also sent the vessels which king Nebuchadnezzar pillaged out of the temple, and have given them to Mithridates the treasurer, and to Zorobabel the governor of the Jews, that they may have them carried to Jerusalem, and may restore them to the temple of God. Now their number is as follows: Fifty chargers of gold, and five hundred of silver; forty Thericlean cups of gold, and five hundred of silver; fifty basons of gold, and five hundred of silver; thirty vessels for pouring [the drink-offerings], and three hundred of silver; thirty vials of gold, and two thousand four hundred of silver; with a thousand other large vessels.343 I permit them to have the same honor which they were used to have from their forefathers, as also for their small cattle, and for wine and oil, two hundred and five thousand and five hundred drachme; and for wheat flour, twenty thousand and five hundred artabae; and I give order that these expenses shall be given them out of the tributes due from Samaria. The priests shall also offer these sacrifices according to the laws of Moses in Jerusalem; and when they offer them, they shall pray to God for the preservation of the king and of his family, that the kingdom of Persia may continue. But my will is, that those who disobey these injunctions, and make them void, shall be hung upon a cross, and their substance brought into the king's treasury." And such was the import of this epistle. Now the number of those that came out of captivity to Jerusalem, were forty-two thousand four hundred and sixty-two.
 
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You read nehimiah 2.did artaxerxes or did he not give the command to restor the city, if cyrus did it, why did artaxerses have to do it, why did nehimiah cry because his city still laid in ruins, and you still have the issue of time.

And i showed you the decree of cyrus, he gave the decree to rebuilt the temple, not the city,

Sorry but i must go by what the word says in who actually did it, by the decrees themselves,

Again, if cyrus did it, then the 70weeks ended before jesus was born, so sorry but huge issues there

Letter from Cyrus to governor Sisinnes and ruler Sathrabuzanes, leaders in Syria and Phenice, confirming authorization to rebuild the city as well as the temple.

“KING CYRUS TO SISINNES AND SATHRABUZANES SENDETH GREETING.
"I have given leave to as many of the Jews that dwell in my country as please to return to their own country, and to rebuild their city, and to build the temple of God at Jerusalem on the same place where it was before. I have also sent my treasurer Mithridates, and Zorobabel, the governor of the Jews, that they may lay the foundations of the temple, and may build it sixty cubits high, and of the same latitude, making three edifices of polished stones, and one of the wood of the country, and the same order extends to the altar whereon they offer sacrifices to God. I require also that the expenses for these things may be given out of my revenues. Moreover, I have also sent the vessels which king Nebuchadnezzar pillaged out of the temple, and have given them to Mithridates the treasurer, and to Zorobabel the governor of the Jews, that they may have them carried to Jerusalem, and may restore them to the temple of God. Now their number is as follows: Fifty chargers of gold, and five hundred of silver; forty Thericlean cups of gold, and five hundred of silver; fifty basons of gold, and five hundred of silver; thirty vessels for pouring [the drink-offerings], and three hundred of silver; thirty vials of gold, and two thousand four hundred of silver; with a thousand other large vessels.343 I permit them to have the same honor which they were used to have from their forefathers, as also for their small cattle, and for wine and oil, two hundred and five thousand and five hundred drachme; and for wheat flour, twenty thousand and five hundred artabae; and I give order that these expenses shall be given them out of the tributes due from Samaria. The priests shall also offer these sacrifices according to the laws of Moses in Jerusalem; and when they offer them, they shall pray to God for the preservation of the king and of his family, that the kingdom of Persia may continue. But my will is, that those who disobey these injunctions, and make them void, shall be hung upon a cross, and their substance brought into the king's treasury." And such was the import of this epistle. Now the number of those that came out of captivity to Jerusalem, were forty-two thousand four hundred and sixty-two.
 
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Neither the word "antichrist", nor any implication of antichrist, appear in the passage.
The grammatical antecedents of the "he's" in verse 27 resolve back to Messiah.

... and upon the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate ...

This is to say, that the a/c "shall come" after the seventy "weeks".
And history confirms this fulfillment.
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Letter from Cyrus to governor Sisinnes and ruler Sathrabuzanes, leaders in Syria and Phenice, confirming authorization to rebuild the city as well as the temple. ...

“[Per Young] This phrase has reference to the issuance of the word, not from a Persian ruler but from God. Young goes on to point out that the expression the commandment, which he insists is better translated “a word” (Heb. Dābār; cf. 2Ch 30:5) is also found is Daniel 9:23 for a word from God.”[1]
[1] John Wolvoord, Daniel, The Key to Prophetic Revelation, Moody Press, Chicago, 1971, p. 224

Perhaps the "going forth of the word" can be found in SCRIPTURE. -- If we only knew where to LOOK.
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So one or more of the Holy Spirit, Gabriel, and Daniel got it wrong. Imagine that.

Me thinks someone got it "wrong". Would you perchance happen to have a mirror handy?
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The decree of Cyrus is the correct starting point for the 70 weeks.

In 1913, Martin Anstey released "The Romance of Bible Chronology", which calculated dates based exclusively on the contents of Scripture. His date for Cyrus' decree was 454 BC. Other calculations using similar methodology have ranged up to 457 BC, an acceptable margin of variance.

Anstey's calculations also revealed the error in the secular Ptolemaic chronology, which some attempt to use.

Beginning dates of 457 - 454 BC place the beginning of the 70th week at 26 - 29 AD, with Christ's crucifixion at 29.5 - 32.5 AD. These dates are within generally accepted ranges.

With proper datings and methodologies, there are no issues in ascertaining the details of the 70 weeks.
 
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... and upon the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate ...

This is to say, that the a/c "shall come" after the seventy "weeks".
And history confirms this fulfillment.
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DaDad

Who was it?
 
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Me thinks someone got it "wrong". Would you perchance happen to have a mirror handy?
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Unarguably they didn't get it wrong. And I believe what they said.

Gotta be someone who doesn't believe what they said.
 
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Unarguably they didn't get it wrong. And I believe what they said.

Gotta be someone who doesn't believe what they said.

People believe ALL SORTS of INCORRECT things. -- So if they believe it strong enough, does it make it CORRECT?
Do YOU believe INCORRECT things? And do you believe YOU'RE CORRECT?

Me thinks so,
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The decree of Cyrus is the correct starting point for the 70 weeks.

Please preface your assertion with ~you believe ...~.

“[Per Young] This phrase has reference to the issuance of the word, not from a Persian ruler but from God. Young goes on to point out that the expression the commandment, which he insists is better translated “a word” (Heb. Dābār; cf. 2Ch 30:5) is also found is Daniel 9:23 for a word from God.”[1]
[1] John Wolvoord, Daniel, The Key to Prophetic Revelation, Moody Press, Chicago, 1971, p. 224​

Perhaps you need to find the SCRIPTURAL SOURCE for the "issuance of the word".

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... we're still waiting for the a/c who "shall come" (but we already know who he is). Of course, the seventy weeks are PAST.

Does this help?
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But...But...you said "And history confirms this fulfillment."

How can history confirm this fulfillment if we're still waiting for it?

"We already know who he is".

Who is "we"? I don't know. Do you?
 
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People believe ALL SORTS of INCORRECT things. -- So if they believe it strong enough, does it make it CORRECT?
Do YOU believe INCORRECT things? And do you believe YOU'RE CORRECT?

Me thinks so,
DaDad

I believe the Holy Spirit, Gabriel, and Daniel were correct.

You don't?
 
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But...But...you said "And history confirms this fulfillment."

How can history confirm this fulfillment if we're still waiting for it?

Did you miss the statement: "the seventy weeks are PAST"?


"We already know who he is".

Who is "we"? I don't know. Do you?

Rev. 13 says: "let him who is wise". I thought everyone posting their views on this Forum had met that criteria. -- Strange.

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