Where Is Muhammad Ali Now?

Fizzywig · Jun 9, 2016

Neither speak ill of others, nor well of yourself.
The moment you open
Your mouth to speak,
The autumn wind stirs
And chills your lips. (Buson)

How long, how long before it is known that the wind blows where it will, and when it will, and not according to our own dictates?

Jane_the_Bane · Jun 9, 2016

rockytopva said:
Jesus Christ had the audacity to say...

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. - John 14:6

I would not want to try eternity without him! If the Bible has it right, then the three-time heavyweight boxing champion is now coping with something far, far worse than Parkinson's disease.

It's a sad, sad world when proselytizers feel the need to gloat over the death of a beloved icon in order to stir up irrational fear in the hearts of the insecure.
It's not only in poor taste, it's also poor salesmanship (and let's face it, this kind of proselytizing is essentially a sales pitch, akin to how some people sell insurance policies): if you can't win customers by merit, and have to resort to this kind of cheap trick - what good is the product you're selling, really?

rockytopva · Jun 9, 2016

As Christians we are pressed to tell the truth. Excerpts from the video below... When you start speaking truth your friends at work are not going to offer you no cookies, they are not going to offer you know pie. And if they see your fasting they will try to make jokes with ya, but I want you to know I don't have time to jokes with you today, Sammy... Cause I am over here reading my bible!

As the preachers do not tell the truth Isaiah 56:10 calls these preachers dumb dogs, they don't like me, who can't even bark! Hello in here!

Speaking of the watchman who are suppose to guide the flock of God...

His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber. Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter. Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine, and we will fill ourselves with strong drink; and to morrow shall be as this day, and much more abundant. - Isaian 56:10-12

gord44 · Jun 9, 2016

rockytopva said:
When you start speaking truth your friends at work are not going to offer you no cookies, they are not going to offer you know pie.

The classic fail safe of many a religion and ideology.

light upon light · Jun 9, 2016

bhsmte said:
The serial killer who finds Jesus on death row and is saved, vs the Hindu who leads a life of helping others but is considered doomed, is a morally bankrupt theology.

Two thumbs up!

Fizzywig · Jun 9, 2016

rockytopva said:
As Christians we are pressed to tell the truth

I assume that no one would dispute that. What seems to be in dispute is YOUR idea of truth as YOU see it and express it here on this forum. I believe St Paul spoke of the limitations of self commendation ( but I leave the "correct" interpretation of the NT to Christians )

sdowney717 · Jun 9, 2016

Catherineanne said:
Nails on a blackboard.

The Lord never preached the gospel to anyone he did not first love, with a pure sacrificial love. Unless we can do the same, it is far better to keep quiet because we are not preaching condemnation to the other person, but to our own soul.

Like the Pharisees whom He told were Satanic and going to hell fire?

You have a problem with the gospel according to what is written down.
See your not aligned your mind with what Christ and God and all the apostles have said about these things, you are an end times prophecy come true about departing from sound teaching, you have turned from the truth in the Word.
To you it seems to me, the scripture is all relativistic truth, not the word of God in absolute terminology.
You are become offended at what God has said about these things. Your christianity is moral socialism, go along, get along, all religions have revealed truth from God.

Christ causes division, there is only peace for those in His house. All others are the chaff, the weeds that He will burn with unquenchable fire. The entire world is under the condemnation of sin and all worthy of hell, there is none that does good. Unless He shows mercy, to save some, all are lost.

Only the narrow path leads to eternal life and few there are that walk on it. Broad is the path of destruction and many walk therein. I and any other true Christian can with 100% confidence say that only those who confess Christ before men will be with Him. Anyone else is a denier who does not take up Christ's cross, but feeds their own bellies with soothing words of the wisdom of this world which is devilish and not of the Father.

Jesus rejoices in the Spirit that the TRUTH is hidden from the wise and prudent and revealed to babes.
Luke 10
Jesus Rejoices in the Spirit
21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight.
22 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father,
and no one knows who the Son is except the Father,
and who the Father is except the Son,
and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.”

You will not know the truth about Christ unless Christ chooses to reveal Himself to you individually. Those who do not believe in Him, to them He has not chosen to reveal God and Christ, and so they remain dead in their sins and will go to hell.

awitch · Jun 9, 2016

sdowney717 said:
You will not know the truth about Christ unless Christ chooses to reveal Himself to you individually. Those who do not believe in Him, to them He has not chosen to reveal God and Christ, and so they remain dead in their sins and will go to hell.

So if god never reveals himself to a person, then god intentionally created that person for the purpose of being tortured in hell for all eternity?

Fizzywig · Jun 9, 2016

sdowney717 said:
Like the Pharisees whom He told were Satanic and going to hell fire?

You have a problem with the gospel according to what is written down.
See your not aligned your mind with what Christ and God and all the apostles have said about these things, you are an end times prophecy come true about departing from sound teaching, you have turned from the truth in the Word.
To you it seems to me, the scripture is all relativistic truth, not the word of God in absolute terminology.
You are become offended at what God has said about these things. Your christianity is moral socialism, go along, get along, all religions have revealed truth from God.

Christ causes division, there is only peace for those in His house. All others are the chaff, the weeds that He will burn with unquenchable fire. The entire world is under the condemnation of sin and all worthy of hell, there is none that does good. Unless He shows mercy, to save some, all are lost.

Only the narrow path leads to eternal life and few there are that walk on it. Broad is the path of destruction and many walk therein. I and any other true Christian can with 100% confidence say that only those who confess Christ before men will be with Him. Anyone else is a denier who does not take up Christ's cross, but feeds their own bellies with soothing words of the wisdom of this world which is devilish and not of the Father.

Jesus rejoices in the Spirit that the TRUTH is hidden from the wise and prudent and revealed to babes.
Luke 10
Jesus Rejoices in the Spirit
21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight.
22 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father,
and no one knows who the Son is except the Father,
and who the Father is except the Son,
and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.”

You will not know the truth about Christ unless Christ chooses to reveal Himself to you individually. Those who do not believe in Him, to them He has not chosen to reveal God and Christ, and so they remain dead in their sins and will go to hell.

I will leave Catherineanne to address you (if she should see fit )

All I hear is the presumptious voice and the self-commendation of yet another "true christian" (just how many different types of true ones can there be? - the mind boggles!)

The truly sad voice of yet another who trusts their very own "confession" and its "sincerity" rather than the source of grace and mercy itself/himself/herself.

sdowney717 · Jun 9, 2016

awitch said:
So if god never reveals himself to a person, then god intentionally created that person for the purpose of being tortured in hell for all eternity?

God has created all things through Christ.
God has seen fit to reveal Himself to the world through only a few people.

John 1
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

v10 through v13 talk of those whom God chose to make born of God.
All men are born of women and are natural born men in this world.
Few are been born of God.
Those so born are not born of their will, they are born of God's will.
The reason some men receive Christ is they were born of God. As it says in v13, this is not according to them or their wills.

Same idea in 1 John 5 about those who overcome this world by their faith.
1 John 5 English Standard Version (ESV)

Overcoming the World
1 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome. 4 For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. 5 Who is it that overcomes the world except the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

Regarding those who are reprobate, they are blinded in their minds by the god of this world, Satan.
God has chosen to shine out from the hearts of His chosen people only. If your not His, then Satan has you blinded from the gospel of Christ and you will never believe in Christ unless God chooses to reveal His Son Christ within you.

As an unbeliever, I wonder can you comprehend what these writings say?

2 Corinthians 4 English Standard Version (ESV)
The Light of the Gospel

1 Therefore, having this ministry by the mercy of God,[a] we do not lose heart. 2 But we have renounced disgraceful, underhanded ways. We refuse to practice cunning or to tamper with God's word, but by the open statement of the truth we would commend ourselves to everyone's conscience in the sight of God.

3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing.
4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
5 For what we proclaim is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, with ourselves as your servants[c] for Jesus' sake.

6 For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

Fizzywig · Jun 9, 2016

sdowney717 said:
God has created all things through Christ.
God has seen fit to reveal Himself to the world through only a few people.

John 1
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

v10 through v13 talk of those whom God chose to make born of God.
All men are born of women and are natural born men in this world.
Few are been born of God.
Those so born are not born of their will, they are born of God's will.
The reason some men receive Christ is they were born of God. As it says in v13, this is not according to them or their wills.

Same idea in 1 John 5 about those who overcome this world by their faith.
1 John 5 English Standard Version (ESV)

Overcoming the World
1 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome. 4 For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. 5 Who is it that overcomes the world except the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

Regarding those who are reprobate, they are blinded in their minds by the god of this world, Satan.
God has chosen to shine out from the hearts of His chosen people only. If your not His, then Satan has you blinded from the gospel of Christ and you will never believe in Christ unless God chooses to reveal His Son Christ within you.

As an unbeliever, I wonder can you comprehend what these writings say?

2 Corinthians 4 English Standard Version (ESV)
The Light of the Gospel

1 Therefore, having this ministry by the mercy of God,[a] we do not lose heart. 2 But we have renounced disgraceful, underhanded ways. We refuse to practice cunning or to tamper with God's word, but by the open statement of the truth we would commend ourselves to everyone's conscience in the sight of God.

3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing.
4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
5 For what we proclaim is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, with ourselves as your servants[c] for Jesus' sake.

6 For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

A lot of Word as text there, with the appropriate bit highlighted to justify yourself.

If other parts were highlighted, it would again remain text, but others would feel themselves "justified".

T

gord44 · Jun 9, 2016

Anyone else just skip reading scripture when someone else posts it?

Pro Tip: Use your own words to try and get your point across. Posting quotes from your holy book of choice only works if someone else actually see's it as 'holy and true' as well.

sdowney717 · Jun 9, 2016

gordRedeemed said:
Anyone else just skip reading scripture when someone else posts it?

Pro Tip: Use your own words to try and get your point across. Posting quotes from your holy book of choice only works if someone else actually see's it as 'holy and true' as well.

If someone does not speak according to what they hold as truth, then what they say is worthless words.

awitch · Jun 9, 2016

sdowney717 said:
God has created all things through Christ.
God has seen fit to reveal Himself to the world through only a few people.

Sounds like a sadistic monster to me.

As an unbeliever, I wonder can you comprehend what these writings say?

Based on your testimony, I don't even want to.

sdowney717 · Jun 9, 2016

Fizzywig said:
Neither speak ill of others, nor well of yourself.
The moment you open
Your mouth to speak,
The autumn wind stirs
And chills your lips. (Buson)

How long, how long before it is known that the wind blows where it will, and when it will, and not according to our own dictates?

That the wind Jesus compares to God's Holy Spirit blowing where He wills, and they are then born of God. God's wind of His Spirit makes whomever He wishes born of God and this is not according to our own dictates.

John 3
5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

gord44 · Jun 9, 2016

sdowney717 said:
If someone does not speak according to what they hold as truth, then what they say is worthless words.

Whatever works for you good sir.

sdowney717 · Jun 9, 2016

awitch said:
Sounds like a sadistic monster to me.

Based on your testimony, I don't even want to.

How then do you feel about this, do you see your own words having a fulfillment here ?
Jude 1
14 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints,
15 to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”

Scripture has things to say about ungodly mockers in the last days, of what happens to them.

awitch · Jun 9, 2016

sdowney717 said:
How then do you feel about this, do you see your own words having a fulfillment here ?
Jude 1
14 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints,
15 to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”

Scripture has things to say about ungodly mockers in the last days, of what happens to them.

I don't believe your scripture is authoritative so I remain unconcerned. In my opinion any deity that needs to win followers with threats is corrupt and unworthy of worship.

bhsmte · Jun 9, 2016

rockytopva said:
As Christians we are pressed to tell the truth. Excerpts from the video below... When you start speaking truth your friends at work are not going to offer you no cookies, they are not going to offer you know pie. And if they see your fasting they will try to make jokes with ya, but I want you to know I don't have time to jokes with you today, Sammy... Cause I am over here reading my bible!

As the preachers do not tell the truth Isaiah 56:10 calls these preachers dumb dogs, they don't like me, who can't even bark! Hello in here!

Speaking of the watchman who are suppose to guide the flock of God...

His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber. Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter. Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine, and we will fill ourselves with strong drink; and to morrow shall be as this day, and much more abundant. - Isaian 56:10-12

For me, you seem to preach a lot and make claims, but you have yet to demonstrate you speak any verifiable truth, only opinion.

bhsmte · Jun 9, 2016

sdowney717 said:
If someone does not speak according to what they hold as truth, then what they say is worthless words.

Claiming to speak truth (which people of many different religions do) is different, from demonstrating the truth.

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