Where Is Muhammad Ali Now?

[smaneck]

No.
They have Isa who didn't die on the cross, who wasn't God in the flesh.
They have no YHWH Elohim.

Allah is the direct Arabic cognate to Elohim. That is like saying you don't believe in YHWH because you keep talking about God instead.

 

[rockytopva]

Can you substantiate this opinion, with something other then your personal interpretation?

If I had to pick an end time date I would go with the scientist, Isaac Newton...

“And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half.” –Daniel 12:7

From a folio cataloged as Yahuda MS 7.3g, f. 13v:

"So then the time times & half a time are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half, reckoning twelve months to a year & 30 days to a month as was done in the Calendar of the primitive year. And the days of short lived Beasts being put for the years of lived kingdoms, the period of 1260 days, if dated from the complete conquest of the three kings A.C. 800, will end A.C. 2060.”" - – Isaac Newton

As Charlemagne was crowned king on December 25, 800 by Pope Leo the III so the day of Christ's coming will be on Christmas Day, 2060. If the rapture of the saints (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17) occurs seven years before the time of Christ’s coming the date of the rapture 12.25 2053. However… Isaac Newton notes…...

“"It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast." –- Isaac Newton

 

[Hieronymus]

Allah is the direct Arabic cognate to Elohim.

No.
Allah of the Quran is a composite god.
Based on pagan beliefs and on the Bible.
It however denies Christ and has little evidence to support its credibility.
And that's why i didn't become a Muslim, for i seriously considered it and 'tested' it when i was still a seeker.

 

[smaneck]

what is so bad about frank?

He is an Islamophobe for one thing who supports stopping the immigration of all Muslims and he supports discrimination against gays.

 

[Fizzywig]

No.
Allah of the Quran is a composite god.
Based on pagan beliefs and on the Bible.
It however denies Christ and has little evidence to support its credibility.
And that's why i didn't become a Muslim, for i seriously considered it and 'tested' it when i was still a seeker.

In fact there are many who having investigated much as you have done, but in different areas, argue that Yahweh was a composite God.

 

[Hieronymus]

In fact there are many who having investigated much as you have done, but in different areas, who argue that Yahweh was a composite God.

There's no evidence to support that though...
sorry..

 

[Fizzywig]

There's no evidence to support that though...
sorry..

I am just reporting what scholars have argued. You are of course free to deny it as evidence.

Just google "Yahweh a composite God" and see what you get.

 

[smaneck]

"So then the time times & half a time are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half, reckoning twelve months to a year & 30 days to a month as was done in the Calendar of the primitive year. And the days of short lived Beasts being put for the years of lived kingdoms, the period of 1260 days, if dated from the complete conquest of the three kings A.C. 800, will end A.C. 2060.”" - – Isaac Newton

What three kings were conquered? By the way, the Baha'i Faith began in the year 1260 of the Muslim Era. In 1260 of the Christian Era, the Mamlukes defeated the Mongols on the plain of Megiddo, otherwise known as Armageddon. It was the only time Mongols were defeated in the field of battle.

You do know that Newton rejected the Trinity?

 

[smaneck]

No.
Allah of the Quran is a composite god.
Based on pagan beliefs and on the Bible.

You do realize that both Yahweh and Elohim were deities in the Canaanite pantheon?

It however denies Christ

Nope. It explicitly states that Jesus is the Messiah [Christ]

 

[smaneck]

There's no evidence to support that though...
sorry..

I suggest you read the works of biblical archaeologist William Dever:

• Dever, William G. (2003a). "Religion and Cult in the Levant". In Richard, Suzanne. Near Eastern Archaeology:A Reader. Eisenbrauns. ISBN 978-1-57506-083-5.
• Dever, William G. (2003b). Who Were the Early Israelites and Where Did They Come From. Eerdmans.
• Dever, William G. (2005). Did God Have A Wife?: Archaeology And Folk Religion In Ancient Israel. Eerdmans. ISBN 978-0-8028-2852-1.

He was the head of the Oriental Studies Department at the University of Arizona where I got my Master's degree.

 

[rockytopva]

You do know that Newton rejected the Trinity?

As far as the trinity I must go along with this video which states... "The problem with using analogies to explain the Holy Trinity is that you always end up confessing some ancient heresy." So I cannot fault anyone for having different views of the trinity.

 

[Hieronymus]

I am just reporting what scholars have argued. You are of course free to deny it as evidence.

Just google "Yahweh a composite God" and see what you get.

I know the theories, but i also know the debunkings (not by heart though, but i have tested most ideas).
Why would you think i became a Christian?
Because of the evidence.
The feeble attempts, however cunning they may be, to refute the Bible are in themselves evidence that points to God of the Bible, you see.
You'll have to believe me when i say that i wasn't particularly happy at the time, to find the Bible to be the Word of God.
That's why i spent even more time verifying than seeking.
I mean, it is afterall about THE biggest questions in life.

Anyway, what are my words worth?

 

[Hieronymus]

As far as the trinity I must go along with this video which states... "The problem with using analogies to explain the Holy Trinity is that you always end up confessing some ancient heresy." So I cannot fault anyone for having different views of the trinity.

Look for lectures by Michael Heiser.
He can provide a lot of insight (as an ancient languages expert) in the Bible and the identity of YHWH Elohim .

 

[Noxot]

yeah mankinds slow revelation of God had them go from a pagan state of a belief of many gods to a belief of there being one God which happened with Israel. of course the spiritual history of humans has its ups and downs. the idea of a singularity is pretty popular even in the modern world, for example the big bang theory. it is just one of those intuitions that humans get.

but also the deeper truths of paganism would result in one finding a personal God since God is both personal and universal. that is why in the old testament it said: "I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob" as you see each knows God personally and thus he is the God of them which in spiritual life this must happen to each person as we are growing in our relationship with God.

 

[smaneck]

Look for lectures by Michael Heiser.
He can provide a lot of insight (as an ancient languages expert) in the Bible and the identity of YHWH Elohim .

He does a good job debunking ancient space aliens, but it seems very little of his published work is peer-reviewed.

 

[smaneck]

but also the deeper truths of paganism would result in one finding a personal God since God is both personal and universal. that is why in the old testament it said: "I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob" as you see each knows God personally and thus he is the God of them which in spiritual life this must happen to each person as we are growing in our relationship with God.

Yep, the Qur'an just adds Ismael to the list.

 

[Hieronymus]

He does a good job debunking ancient space aliens, but it seems very little of his published work is peer-reviewed.

You mean his books or his expertise?

 

[Hieronymus]

Yep, the Qur'an just adds Ismael to the list.

Not only that, it rapes the Bible on many occasions.

 

[smaneck]

You mean his books or his expertise?

I'm talking about his publications. His educational credentials are fine, but in academia scholarship should be peer-reviewed before it is published to insure its credibility.

 

[smaneck]

Not only that, it rapes the Bible on many occasions.

If that is what you want to call repeating biblical stories. If so there is a whole lot of raping going on in this forum!