Where is it all going? Any RADICAL ideas?

[Alive_Again]

At The Voice That Heals All Nations we believe in the social gospel. Accepting of all nations, colors, creeds, choices. God created all people equal. What is important is that we accept God into our lives and move forward with God at the forefront of our life.

It's good that we "accept" everyone within the context of loving everyone and not applying our prejudices of the flesh. God loves everyone. He does have His ways. He will not change for anyone. If He will not accept homosexuals into His kingdom, He won't change no matter what protecting legislation prevails in my country (the USA). Every nation and tongue is represented in Heaven, but only those who come in through the "door" which is Christ.

I can see your points, however, I don't feel that looking for one instance of one religion to set things right over time is the case here. God is much larger than our minds can fathom. Just to be in the daily presence of such inexplicable power is the blessing of our lives.

God chose to bless mankind through Abraham. God committed His oracles to the Jews. They spoke of the Christ who would come and pay God's requirement for sin: blood. It was His own Son and He choose to pay with His very life. He suffered terribly so you and I could go to Heaven and just as importantly, we could know Him while we live on the Earth.

These are very important scriptures Joel.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
John 10:1-3

Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
John 10:7-10

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
John 10:27-28

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mark 16:15-16

You can actually yield to the divine nature of Jesus within us after you're born again. Jesus said He was a vine and we are the branches. It is through this divine nature that we overcome and flesh and defeat sin in our lives.

We have 2 natures. The flesh and the spirit. Most Christians walk primarily in the flesh. That's why non Christians see them and don't see anyone that dramatically different, other than maybe being more morally correct. The divine nature is completely different. If we choose to walk in love in the Spirit, His nature flows through us and we do not sin.

Other religions don't have anything like this. Christians become a living temple for God's Spirit. He speaks to our hearts and as we are attuned to Him, we hear His voice more clearly like light impressed on a film exposure. We come to know His presence, His power, and His love. There isn't another religion in the world like it.

Those who are "born again" are what's known as "Outer Court" Christians (see the tabernacle of Moses as a type or shadow of the Heavenly). You can go and get baptized in the Holy Spirit and become an "Holy Place" Christian. This experience is closer to the throne and you bear more fruit. (Many Outer Court Christians don't even believe that there is a Holy Place to go to and are sometimes critical toward those who preach and practice it. As you press on toward maturity, there is a "Most Holy Place" Christian. Here, your life is truly one with our great High Priest and our motives and intents are shared with God. Few go on to the closest walk, and we all presumably are pressing into that place.

Being a born again, baptized in the Spirit Christian is an exciting walk with supernatural things happening in it. Your own level of obedience sets the flow. But the power flow only is in agreement with God.

We can accept people, but God expects you to seek His ways if you want to know Him. Everything else is just "religion".

 

[Heavens]

in our multi-faith society we have to think about God's purposes with other faiths.
Is it all coming to some big apocalyptic 'sorting out' of the good from the bad,]

That's been going on for 2000 years. Now it's our turn to be either a sheep or a goat

[OR, is Islam for example like Judaism a reflection of one crucial aspect of God's character and purpose?]

Yes! They are part of the vessels of dishonor to try the saints as God explains;

(Rom 9:22)What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
(Rom 9:23) And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,]

[Is it possible that these other religions are indeed part of God's purpose in a constructive sense not just so that the 'righteous' have an evil yardstick to be judged separate from.]

No. We need the wicked around us to develop spiritually.

[I've even been considering whether Islam is God's political movement to bring in the authoritarian structures needed for the millenium when Jesus will return to rule the nations with a rod of iron.]

Jesus and His saints are ruling with a rod of iron now, in overcoming the enemy of sin and death. I don't subscribe to "futurism" so no. Their purpose to exist is now, in each of our lives, to try the brethren.

[If Gods truly IS in control just why DID he allow Islam with its history of antagonism to His gift of grace and its destruction of Christian lands?]

They just don't believe in Christ, so they persecute Him and His Saints, for our benefit, so that we overcome sin and death. Neither Islam nor Judahism can destroy "Christian lands" if we know what "Christian land" really is. For the "land" is what Abraham our Father was promised, which is...

(Heb 11:16) But now they desire a better country, which is, that heavenly country; wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

(Heb 12:22) But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

This country/land/city/Sion/Jerusalem is from "above";

(Rev 21:2) And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

She is Jesus Wife;

(Rev 21:9) And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

Which is the Mother of us all!

(Gal 4:26) But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Being persecuted by the unregenerate and in bondage Ishmael/Jews;

(Gal 4:25) For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
(Gal 4:29) But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

But we in Christ are the Israel Children of Promise of Abraham;

(Gal 4:28) Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.]

What of buddhism? Do we just dismiss it as a worship of demons?]

Yes.

[I suppose we need to ask ourselves whether the bible in providing true information about the last days in fact does not provide us with anything like a comprehensive vision of God's final purposes on this earth.]

The religion of futurism is a trap to avoid.

[That gives US as spirit-filled and made in God's image the obligation to think the previously unthinkable.

What would that be? What is previously unthinkable?

Thanks

Blessings in Christ!

 

[salamacum]

One unthinkable thing is to go along with Van Baalen (Chaos of Cults) - as sound a Christian as any. Cults and false religions are the 'unpaid bills of the church'. Those cults grow because they emphasise something the Church has neglected usually in practice.
For example, if the church neglects healing (or believes the gifts died out), then God allows the enemy to raise false miracle-workers. We should be more reflective and humble when we look at the plethora of alternatives out there.
What thing have we neglected to do?

 

[Heavens]

One unthinkable thing is to go along with Van Baalen (Chaos of Cults) - as sound a Christian as any. Cults and false religions are the 'unpaid bills of the church'. Those cults grow because they emphasise something the Church has neglected usually in practice.
For example, if the church neglects healing (or believes the gifts died out), then God allows the enemy to raise false miracle-workers. We should be more reflective and humble when we look at the plethora of alternatives out there.
What thing have we neglected to do?

Personally, I don't think in a collective "we" form of what the Lord does in my life. He's doing it, and watch on in awe. I see righteousness where before I saw wickedness. I have thoughts that I didn't used to have. I see things I never saw before. I don't have the sense of guilt or shame I remember having since Jesus took it all away.
He has healed me in the most ultimate way that I have ever witnessed of anything in my entire life. He loved me he touched me and I am made whole. He has birthed me from above in a new Kingdom, a Kingdom of light and love and eternal life.
He's my healer.
Nothing else matters. I just share this healing power of the Gospel of Peace to others and behold the Glory of the Lord shining in the face of Jesus as He lifts the veil and kisses His Bride. We are His Bride
I have said "I do" to Him. He has come into me by His Holy Spirit and generated the son of God in me, Christ in me, my hope of Glory.
He has done all this in me.
What more could I possibly ask, I just don't know.
What have I neglected? I don't know that either else I would un-neglect it
My body is a wreck. But I am healed. And that is what it is all about my friend.

Be anxious for nothing the Lord is at hand. Remember the Glory, remember the Land

 

[salamacum]

Interesting.

Especially this bit:
I see righteousness where before I saw wickedness

 

[salamacum]

Here's an unthinkable....
That there is something of God in Islam.

 

[Heavens]

Well, it hasn't been "unthinkable" for me, as we know they are simply vessels of dishonor by which we can rejoice in knowing the great Glory He's called us unto, out of a world full of dishonorable people;

(Rom 9:17) For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

(Rom 9:22) What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
(Rom 9:23) And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

That is the only way God is "in Islam". As He was with Pharoah "in Egypt".

I suppose that is what you meant salamacum?

 

[salamacum]

There's a Pakistani - origin bishop who left his position in the CofE because he felt he was not able to speak out about the growth of Islam and the persecution of Christians.
I can't remember his name.
But his thesis is that we (the UK) is wide open to Islam because of our rejection of Christ and our moral and secular failures. We were looking into the abyss, with a generation of feral youngsters, unable to aquire the skills needs for their adult lives.
It is in this sense that Islam is God's tool, at the very least to save us from ourselves. (I mean politically and socially). Islam majors on family life, education, responsibility, sobriety, male-nurturing, transcendance (and not man-centredness)
If we reject grace and forgiveness in Christ, God will give us law and punishment.
It's in this sense that I have been forced to think the unthinkable.
One result is that I cannot oppose Islam politically or through agitation. It can only be through proclamation of the grace of Christ, as this nation becomes sick to the back teeth of the idea of Sharia.

 

[Heavens]

Yea, the Muslims, right along with their arch enemy Jews, appear to have a major role in the crumbling of the gospel on this planet. Their growth rate combined with their wealth and cultural assimilation across the square miles of this planet, heralds a soon end for Christianity. Our offspring in Christ will be hunted down eventually, and discovered out of their last refuges in the furthest corners of the earth. It won't be long now. Esau and Ishmael, as "family oriented" as they are, will not tolerate the Jacob "infidel" in their midst. They will wrestle the birthright away from us with all their strength of flesh, until there is no more sea. At my age, I won't see it. But I have two grandsons who will. May Jesus have mercy upon their souls
The days are numbered for the body of Christ on this planet.

 

[DennisTate]

I believe firmly that all of this works out in the long run!


Howard Storm:

Howard's light being friends told him more about the new world to come. According to them, God wished to usher in the kingdom within the next two hundred years. In order to do so, God had rescinded some of the free will given to creatures, in favor of more divine control over human events. This new world order, according to Howard, will resemble some near-death descriptions of heaven. People will live in such peace and harmony and love that communication will be telepathic, travel instantaneous and the need for clothing and shelter eliminated. The lion will indeed lie down with the lamb.]

 

[DennisTate]

Mary Burris of Edmonton, Alberta was given an impressive message regarding where things were going between Moslems and Christians.

Mary A Buris:
"February 6, 2009

While spending time with the Lord He reminded me of Ali's funeral (Ali was my first husband who was murdered in 94/95) and how the Holy Spirit had me praying in tongues and in travail for the muslim people's salvation in Christ Jesus.

He assured me that He heard my prayer that day. Suddenly I became very excited in my spirit and asked the Holy Spirit

"What's going on?"

This is what He said:

You'll see... It'll be explosive when it happens. They will flock towards salvation as the hardness is lifted off of their hearts and the scales are removed from their eyes. They are a passionate people but their purpose has not yet been served. Upon the fulfillment of their role in the history of mankind there will be a flood of souls pouring into the kingdom of God for His glory. They have been scorned, they have been accused, but the ones who are pure in heart shall see God. When He reveals Himself to them in all His glory they will prostrate themselves before Him in a way they have never done before. When He opens the eyes of their understanding and unstops their ears to hear what His Holy Spirit is revealing the waves of tears of repentance will flood the ground they occupy and they will be purged once and for all time of the stains of their unbelief. The Lord is calling out for a pure and holy nation before God and He will do as He chooses and choose as He pleases and mankind will truly stand in awe of His mighty Majesty and Splendor as the precious souls are ushered into His kingdom.

GIVE HIM PRAISE AND GLORY!