Where is a "6000 year old earth" found in scripture?

[yeshuasavedme]

The age of the Earth is not mentioned.



How about actually providing any Hebrew or Greek words to prove what you are claiming?






The paradise Paul wrote of is heaven not Eden or the garden. The tree of life is not in paradise in Rev. It's on Earth outside of new Jerusalem.






Not a word of this is biblically true. "Mount Eden"? Seriously?

You are really Bible challenged, there, for it is all Biblical Truth. You can do a word search online in the concordance....try it, plus. Paradise is the same Garden of Eden, and the early Septuagint translated it so...in Greek, as in the NT, also.
Mount Eden is the holy mount of God, where the throne is for the Son of Man to take up when He takes His great power unto himself and reigns -in future, described in Revelation....Adam lost it all, as firstborn son of God of the human being kind, and the New Man paid to ransom it all back, with His accepted Atonement, in the appointed Day....but He is yet to take up the throne over earth in Mount Eden, prepared for His reign from the beginning....as the Firstborn Son of God.
God is come in flesh of a second Man creation as Kinsman/Redeemer to the Adam creation. You might learn about the right of Kinsman/Redeemer in the Law to discover how it works in the legal courts of heaven....


Before the Lamb of God takes His power unto Himself to reign over the earth which He ransomed back with His blood, He is seated on the Throne of the Father, in the created temple in the created heavens, and as Firstborn is the High Priest of earth, which He is the EverLasting Father of in the Second Man creation flesh garment He is come in; and He ever lives as Firstborn to intercede for His own adopted sons, as High Priest of earth....

The Throne of the Father that He is seated on, with the Father, is set in the created temple in heaven, not on Mount Eden, and that prepared throne in that prepared temple is set in the created sun, which totally circles the earth in the circle of the heavens, once, each day -now "That" is what the Word of God states, in the original Hebrew language!!!!!
I wrote a thread on this forum giving Scriptures in the original language that show the created temple in heaven is set in the created sun.
Since I wrote this thread, I have learned lots more and could show more evidences of the things in this, such as the temple built of cut diamond [tessellated], and pillars of fire, but not rock crystal, since it is reported reported in "science" that there are planets with floating diamond icebergs in diamond oceans [?], so no problem for God to make a temple of cut diamond to refract the light from the stars out to the creation.
He also has gates for the City of God out of pearls -pretty big oysters to produce pearls that size!

Anyway, the original Hebrew indeed states that "He hath set His temple/dwelling place in the sun...", but that is not Mount Eden, in the third heaven, in Paradise.
http://www.christianforums.com/thre...-god-which-is-in-the-created-heavens.7259341/

 

[ewq1938]

You are really Bible challenged, there, for it is all Biblical Truth. You can do a word search online in the concordance....try it, plus. Paradise is the same Garden of Eden, and the early Septuagint translated it so...in Greek, as in the NT, also.

Second time I am asking you to offer the evidence. Paradise is only found three times in the bible and it never refers to a garden in Eden. Nowhere in scripture is the garden ever the third heaven. I think it is you that is biblically challenged.

Mount Eden is the holy mount of God, where the throne is for the Son of Man to take up when He takes His great power unto himself and reigns -in future, described in Revelation

No, it's not found in Revelation that's completely imaginary. There is no "Mount Eden".

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Earth is actually not so old, though corruption has made a mess out of it, since the fall.
It is the fall that makes things look old, not age, and God promises to regenerate the heavens and the earth, and that will be as instant as the regeneration of our bodies at the rapture of them or the resurrection of them, when the elements are dissolved and regenerated instantly.

Isa 51:16
And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.

Earth is going to go on forever, and even on earth men will be born, and live their day, and be transformed to the glory and
"plant the heavens", and be glorified as sons of God and be His dwelling place for His glory, as Scripture states, and after the transformation, we will be equal with the angels and will serve the Son of Man as priests in the New Man name, ruling over earth; which is what would have been in the Adam name if he had not fallen, and we, in him.

God's plan will go on forever, but in the New Man name, which is "Israel", not "Adam", as Scripture states.
The Jewish sages wrote that Adam would have lived a thousand year day and been transformed to the glory body -and each of the seed of Adam would have also lived their day and been transformed to glory, without dying, but Adam did not live a thousand years and lived in a corrupted body of flesh that was irrevocably defiled. The redemption is about the rescue of earth and the inhabitants of earth for God's one plan to go on forever, but in the New Man name.
Earth is young, but corruptionmakesit age, but it will last millions of years, and will be elementally regenerated with the heavens, for they are all one "piece".



Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations;

He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.

 

[ewq1938]

Earth is young, but corruptionmakesit age, but it will last millions of years, and will be elementally regenerated with the heavens, for they are all one "piece".

Afraid not. God did not artificially age the Earth. It was created very long ago, with the 7 days of creation happening more recently and did not include the creation of the Earth or Heavens.

 

[greenguzzi]

But a Bible Scholar who knows the LORD and believes His Word would never, ever, claim the evidence "points" to earth being any older than what the Word of God states.

This is true, however a Bible Scholar who knows the LORD and believes His Word may well discover that His Word does not claim what you think it claims. This scholar may well discover that His Word makes no claims about the age of the Earth at all.

In fact: even a plain old born again Believer who reads the Word of God as it is written and believes God and puts no trust in men who deny the Word and who isn't even a Bible scholoar [such as Paul, for instance], would never make any such foolish claim that there is any evidence men can put forth to make the Word of God a lie.

A plain old born again believer, by them-self, may well come up with all sorts of erroneous claims. This is because understanding the Word is not easy. This is why Christ calls us into communities. We are buildings, not bricks. My theology is not just my own. We have teachers and preachers etc. to keep us on track. I wouldn't trust any random born again Believer to tell me the time of day.

[... ...]who isn't even a Bible scholoar [such as Paul, for instance]

I couldn't let this gem pass by.

Saint Paul, the greatest Christian theologian of all time.
Saint Paul, the greatest Christian missionary ever.
Saint Paul, well educated Roman citizen.
Saint Paul of the tribe of Benjamin. (Philippians 3:5)
Saint Paul, educated in the Word at the feet of his teacher, the great Rabban Gamaliel. Taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, zealous toward God (Acts 22:3)
Saint Paul the Pharisee (Philippians 3:5-6)
Saint Paul, the Christian trailblazer.

Paul WAS a scholar. To compare Paul to a "plain old born again Believer" is ludicrous. Paul is THE great Christian scholar.

 

[greenguzzi]

The Scriptures state that the heavens -all of the stretched out from earth stories/ascensions of them- are created one with the earth, in the beginning, and the "firmament of His powers" were not stretched out from the earth until day 2 of creation week.

Nicely stated. Amen!

Thank you both for answering my question.

So, if I understand correctly, Young Earthers believe that the Earth is actually older than the rest of the universe. Is that correct?
Would the vast majority of Young Earthers agree with this assertion, or are opinions divided?

 

[greenguzzi]

It's clearly not implied. It's assumed.

True.
I imply, you assume. The Bible implies, the heretic assumes.
Exegesis, eisegesis.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Thank you both for answering my question.

So, if I understand correctly, Young Earthers believe that the Earth is actually older than the rest of the universe. Is that correct?
Would the vast majority of Young Earthers agree with this assertion, or are opinions divided?

There is no such a concensus of agreement on any point between all born again in Christ believers because those who feed on men's wisdom or on milk cannot be considered Bible scholars.
To be a Bible scholar who loves the Truth of the Word and who seeks and finds answers does not make one who is in Christ more in Christ or more worthy in Christ, but simply one who loves the Word itself, and who seeks, and finds, the answers that others who do not seek and find the answers in the Word conjecture with the words of men's wisdom, from men who cannot believe the Word for itself, and who make up things to fill in the imagined non-existent gaps.

 

[greenguzzi]

There is no such a concensus of agreement on any point between all born again in Christ believers because those who feed on men's wisdom or on milk cannot be considered Bible scholars.
To be a Bible scholar who loves the Truth of the Word and who seeks and finds answers does not make one who is in Christ more in Christ or more worthy in Christ, but simply one who loves the Word itself, and who seeks, and finds, the answers that others who do not seek and find the answers in the Word conjecture with the words of men's wisdom from men who cannot believe the Word for itself and who make up things to fill in the imagined non-existent gaps.

Ohh Kayy.... <slowly steps backwards - smiling unconvincingly>

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Greenguzzi,
You must have read my post and replied before you had your morning coffee, for you surely totally did not read it with a clear mind.
I did NOT imply or say that Paul was not a Bible scholar, but I said that He was a Bible scholar. He was a scholar of all the writings, and after he met the LORD Jesus, he received many revelations in the same writings of how they all pointed to the Person and work of Messiah, and he wrote from those understandings of what was already written that he was well studied in, but without understanding in, of Messiah, before His Damascus Road revelation of the Messiah.

Paul was a lover of the histories and the Law, and studied much and knew all the writings, but He counted it all as dung that He might win Christ. Why? -because knowledge puffs up, as he said, and he humbled himself at the foot of the cross and gave it all to Jesus, that He might serve Him with all that he had, in any way the LORD would use him.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

No, God did not artificially age the earth....why would you try to make it as if I said He did?
Corruption ages the entire creation, and when God regenerates it elementally in the great metamorphosis of it all, it will never appear "old" in the New Creation, for corruption is the aging element of it all.

God told us He made it all in 6 normal evening and morning days, and the heavens were suspended before the earth was formed out of the waters, but the heavens were the firmament of His powers over the waters of creation...
Day one; light called out of the darkness and set circling the globe of waters, in the heavens that were right here, which were created as part of the whole, on day one.

Day two; the waters were cut in two and the heavens stretched out beneath the half of the waters of creation, and named "two waters/Sha Mayim".

Day three; the waters were commanded to be gathered together in one place, and the dry to appear. The dry was then named "earth", and the waters were named seas..

In three days, there was the naming of the day, the naming of the heavens, the naming of the waters below the heavens and the naming of the earth.
God named them as He formed them out of the powers of the waters of creation. All the elements were called "to be" on day one, but they were not formed into the heavens, the earth, the waters below and the waters above until the Word says so -but He did all that in the first three days.
....light is stretched out from this very earth on day two of creation week. No matter how far out man can "measure" the stretched out heavens [which he actually cannot do, as the Word so states], God did it all on day two of creation week The light is stretched out all the way to the boundaries of heavens, with the heavens, on day two of creation week.
We serve a mighy God, and He told us what He did, and we cannot even fathom the greatness of His power....but some puny midget minds think they can actually change His word and make Him a liar! All men are liars, but God does not lie, nor deceive.

We can believe Him and praise Him for His wonderful works that are past finding out, or we can turn to fables and join the deceived ones, and pass on the deceptions to try to ensnare foolish minds into believing the lies.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Second time I am asking you to offer the evidence. Paradise is only found three times in the bible and it never refers to a garden in Eden. Nowhere in scripture is the garden ever the third heaven. I think it is you that is biblically challenged.




No, it's not found in Revelation that's completely imaginary. There is no "Mount Eden".

Mount Eden is the Holy Mount of God, and is where Adam was "taken/laqach [Hebrew]/raptured" to, and set there to guard the Garden/Paradise, where the Tree of Life is.... that is what the Word states, in HEbrew, in Genesis 2.
That is where Adam was cast out of and down from, and divorced from the presence of the Glory of the Father there, when Adam was cut off/divorced/disinherited, and became vain in his life since lived in corruption and death of spirit to the presence of the Glory of the Father living in him and walking with him, in oneness and fellowship with him, as the "first", firstborn son of God of the human being kind, who was created male and female [Genesis 5:2], to have sons [Hebrew "ben"] to multiply from the seed within the loins of the Adam, and to be born as sons of God [Malachi 2:15], for the Glory to indwell, and to build up the City of God by them, as living stones [Hebrew "Eben"], for His temple not made with hands...

The plan goes on, but not in the dead in Spirit and irrevocably defiled flesh of the dead Adam creation, but in the promised Seed of the Woman [Jerusalem above is the Woman], who is God come in flesh of second Man name and the Firstborn Son of God of the human being kind in that flesh, to be the promised Kinsman/Redeemer for the lost Adam seed/sons, and to adopt them into His One Living Spirit and give them the hope of Glory =the resurrection of the body of them in the regeneration of the flesh body of them which is made for the Glory to indwell them...
God has always had one plan, and it is ongoing. He gets His human being sons by adoption, by coming in the Person of God the Word in New Creation Human being flesh, which Isaiah 59 says He put on as the Garment of Salvation/Yeshua to come as Kinsman/Redeemer to the Adam creation and the Redeemer for the Adam inheritance [earth], by His once for all Atonement.

 

[ewq1938]

Mount Eden is the Holy Mount of God, and is where Adam was "taken/laqach [Hebrew]/raptured" to, and set there to guard the Garden/Paradise, where the Tree of Life is.... that is what the Word states, in HEbrew, in Genesis 2.

What verse does the Hebrew say Paradise? And what verse mentions "Mount Eden"?

 

[yeshuasavedme]

What verse does the Hebrew say Paradise? And what verse mentions "Mount Eden"?

The Holy Mount of God is Mount Eden
It is in heaven, and Paradise is the Garden of God in Eden.
Please check your online concordance and find it for yourself. It is not hard to do. Paradise is where the Tree of Life always has been.
Read it. Jesus says it's still there.

 

[ewq1938]

The Holy Mount of God is Mount Eden
It is in heaven, and Paradise is the Garden of God in Eden.

And I have asked you repeatedly to PROVE that with scripture and you have yet to do that.

Please check your online concordance and find it for yourself. It is not hard to do. Paradise is where the Tree of Life always has been.
Read it. Jesus says it's still there.

You have made it all up that's why you refuse to provide evidence.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The tree of Life is in the midst of the Garden of God. Genesis 2:9

The Tree of Life is in the midst of the Paradise of God Revelation 2 :7

The Garden of God is in Eden.
Eden is the Holy Mount of God in heaven.
Ezekiel 28:13,14
Paradise is the Garden of God in Eden.
Eden is in the third heaven.
2 Cor 12:2 -12:4

 

[yeshuasavedme]

 

[ewq1938]

The tree of Life is in the midst of the Garden of God.


Genesis 2:9

Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
And where is this "Paradise" you claimed the Hebrew supports?

The Tree of Life is in the midst of the Paradise of God Revelation 2 :7

That is not a reference to Genesis but the eternity in Rev 21.

The Garden of God is in Eden.
Eden is the Holy Mount of God in heaven.
Ezekiel 28:13,14

Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.


Again, where does it say there is a mountain called "Mount Eden"? It mentions the garden of Eden and it mentions a mountain. You have mixed them together creating something the text does not.

I'm going to do the same thing you have:

Exo 3:1 Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb.


Here Jethro is mentioned and a mountain is mentioned so I'm going to create "mount Jethro"

Psa 11:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. In the LORD put I my trust: how say ye to my soul, Flee as a bird to your mountain?

Ever hear of "mount David" before?

Paradise is the Garden of God in Eden.
Eden is in the third heaven.
2 Cor 12:2 -12:4

Sorry you don't know the Word for yourself.
There's more. You should study it for yourself.

What you have done is cherry pick things from here and there and then blended them together to create your own things that don't appear in scripture.

The garden in Genesis is not paradise, and not the third heaven. There is no such thing as "mount Eden".

The only paradise is heaven, called the third heaven by Paul.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Please, stop the nonsense and go read the Word in the different translations and the history of It. The original Greek Septagint translated the Hebrew Garden of Eden as Paradise...look it up!
It is one and the same.
Wikipedia:
...
Hebrew פרדס (pardes) appears thrice in the Tanakh; in the Song of Solomon 4:13, Ecclesiastes 2:5 and Nehemiah 2:8. In those contexts it could be interpreted as an "orchard" or a "fruit garden". In the Septuagint (3rd–1st centuries BCE), Greek παράδεισος parádeisos was used to translate both Hebrew pardes and Hebrew gan, "garden"

 

[yeshuasavedme]

In the Book of Enoch, which is canon in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, Eden is the Holy Mount of God in heaven.
Paul tells us it is in the third heaven.
Enoch saw the Tree of Life and the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil there. He also saw the throne prepared for the Son of Man there, which Adam could not ascend to, nor can any man but God come in flesh of Firstborn Son of God, and as Kinsman/Redeemer, He ransomed that throne back.
God calls it His Holy Mount in Ezekiel, and in ancient Jewish writings, it is also Mount Zion of the heavenlies.

Adam lost it all, and though Adam lost access to go in and out and the gates of entry are guarded by the Cherubim against an Adam entering, and the Tree of Life has never moved, but Jesus attests that it is still in the Garden of Eden/Paradise, and Paul says it is in the third heaven.