Where has my party gone?

[MorkandMindy]

I would have voted for Nixon, LBJ was terrible, Nixon tried to restrain government spending but the Reader's Digest took out a full page ad and shamed him into a huge expenditure to do an end run to cure cancer by testing every known substance.

The Kennedy / LBJ Vietnam War cost so much the dollar had to go off the gold standard and started inflating from that time on. The liberal press ignored the fundamental damage the war caused to our economy.

Democrats got us into WW1, WW2, the Korean War and the Vietnam War. Rightly or wrongly. Come the early 1970s and there was a change around, the oil companies changed to the Republican Party which has started the main wars since then and expanded government expenditure and debt enormously.

Again there have been many explanations given, but that is what happened to the Republican Party, and the core values are now held by the Libertarian Party, to cut expenditure, simplify taxation, get the government's nose out of a lot of things.

At the very least government involvement means enforced uniformity and that means loss of individual initiative and that is part of dehumanisation.

 

[tulc]

actually it was a Republican President who got us into Vietnam.
tulc(gives this rant an 8 out of 10 it just needed more color and some random bolding)

 

[MorkandMindy]

What happened to the Democrat Party?

The first President after the oil companies switched parties was Jimmy Carter who made decisions mainly on the basis of what would be best for the US as a republic and placed little value on the 'interests overseas' that is, the empire or equivalently, the assets our huge multinational companies held World-wide.

Most Christians moved their support over to Ronald Reagan and his 'let's frighten the Russians with our Star Wars program and maybe we can bankrupt them too'. The US has run a risk of being destroyed by Russia of - taking a wild guess - maybe half a percent each year we have been enemies of Russia.

And since then the Democrats have moved to gain the backing of the banks, big Pharma, and to keep the support of the Military Industrial Complex.

Hillary was a Republican before strategically changing to the Democrat Party and her policies are the same as those of the G W Bush first term, except for a bunch of details a lot of people are wasting their time focusing on.

If we have the confrontation she wants with Russia over our new claim to Syria, most of the details of this election could be irrelevant.

 

[MorkandMindy]

actually it was a Republican President who got us into Vietnam.
tulc(gives this rant an 8 out of 10 it just needed more color and some random bolding)

It would not have been a war if Kennedy and LBJ hadn't turned it into one, and it was kept running long after most of the main objectives had been achieved.

 

[MorkandMindy]

rePublican is supposed to back the interests of the public and Democrat the democracy, which comes to the same thing as a Republic.

Most of the public I have met don't want the banks risking the money of our nation to gain huge bonuses. They are losing more in the risky adventures that go wrong than the margin gained in the ones that work.

The previous bailouts cost our country a fortune and made dishonest bankers very rich, it is hard to see the public voting for something like that. Both parties were bailing out the banks.

The total amount of money the banks are losing right now is debateable but it is likely to be a lot more than we are losing in our trade deficit, as huge as that is.

Both parties have abandoned the public

 

[tulc]

It would not have been a war if Kennedy and LBJ hadn't turned it into one, and it was kept running long after most of the main objectives had been achieved.

hmmm...is the above your way of saying, "You're right, Americas involvement in the Vietnam war was actually not started by a Democrat President."? Because I'm not really seeing where you said that.
tulc(wonders if you could point it out?)

 

[ArmenianJohn]

It would not have been a war if Kennedy and LBJ hadn't turned it into one, and it was kept running long after most of the main objectives had been achieved.

Also, it was Republican Nixon who got us out of Vietnam. What people don't realize about Nixon is that even though he was far from a model Quaker he was still a Quaker and he was in his heart a pacifist.

 

[Chesterton]

actually it was a Republican President who got us into Vietnam.

In adherence to the Truman Doctrine which both Dems and Reps supported.

 

[MorkandMindy]

The way the US and the US multinational corporations maintain power over other countries (don't call them 'colonies') is with an escalating series of measures.

Firstly the nation's leader is bribed. That usually works but if not then comes the threat, the classic gold or lead choice.

This may lead to an assassination and the CIA now acknowledges having done a number of those.

But some cautious leaders seem very difficult to assassinate at least without getting caught after doing it, so we arm their opponents, raise a rebel force. We may also supply advisors.

That often works but we may also have to bomb areas to reduce the loyalist forces.

Final resort is a 'boots on the ground' invasion.

If I recall it was the Democrat Presidents who moved the confrontation in Vietnam up to a full scale war, but it is not all that significant, so what if if the Republicans were also war mongers back then too? War starting significantly shifted to the Republican party when the oil companies switched parties.


But the point is now both parties seem to have no interest in policies the public wants.

 

[jacks]

Vote Third Party. Don't buy into the "wasted vote" myth. That is just another method of two party control. Tell the country and the world, you have another vision for America.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

But the point is now both parties seem to have no interest in policies the public wants.

This is why Trump won the nomination and why Sanders posed such a strong challenge to Clinton in the primaries.

 

[tulc]

In adherence to the Truman Doctrine which both Dems and Reps supported.

so a Democrat was President when America got involved in Vietnam? I thought the whole point in that post was: "Only Democrat Presidents get America involved in wars!" and one of the ones listed (apparently the worst one) was Vietnam.
tulc(thinks just admitting an error was made isn't actually the end of the world)

 

[Chesterton]

so a Democrat was President when America got involved in Vietnam? I thought the whole point in that post was: "Only Democrat Presidents get America involved in wars!" and one of the ones listed (apparently the worst one) was Vietnam.
tulc(thinks just admitting an error was made isn't actually the end of the world)

I don't know what the point of the post was. (Didn't M&M used to be British anyway?)

 

[wing2000]

What happened to the Republican Party?

The Tea Party.

 

[MorkandMindy]

I don't know what the point of the post was. (Didn't M&M used to be British anyway?)

The point is people just voting the way they have always voted in past are making a big mistake because their party isn't where it used to be and there is something else where it used to be so maybe they should be voting for that instead.

 

[tulc]

The point is people just voting the way they have always voted in past are making a big mistake because their party isn't where it used to be and there is something else where it used to be so maybe they should be voting for that instead.

I agree, I used to vote Republican and now I vote Democrat. When the Party moved to someplace I didn't care for, I went somewhere else.
tulc(just a thought)

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Democrats got us into WW1, WW2, the Korean War and the Vietnam War.

And a Republican President got us into a war that killed more Americans than WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Gulf War and the war on terror combined.

 

[W2L]

And a Republican President got us into a war that killed more Americans than WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Gulf War and the war on terror combined.

What? This is not true. Get real please. Lincoln wasn't the rebel.


Pro slavery and southern war mongers were democratic

 

[Aryeh Jay]

What? This is not true. Get real please. Lincoln wasn't the rebel.


Pro slavery and southern war mongers were democratic

Lincoln got the ball rolling by raising an army.

 

[W2L]

Lincoln got the ball rolling by raising an army.

No, the south were the rebels who started their own Democratic, pro slavery, anti abolition, anti constitution, government. They were guilty of treason.