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Hi, Dear online brothers and sisters


Is 144,000 the only number of enrollment into gate of heaven?
If the enrollment of heaven is limited to 144,000 back then, shouldn't it expand accordingly with exponentially growth of mankind now ?
Where else do majority of chosen one, Christians go, if unfortunately, they didn't match with their number one , top one , the best choice.
Does it ever clearly depict where the rest go?

Thank you. highly appreciated.



Revelation 14:1,3, reads:

(1) “Then I saw, and look! the lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who have his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.”

(3) “And they were singing what seems to be a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders, and no one was able to master that song except the 144,000, who have been bought from the earth.”
 

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I would be horrified if it was only 144,000

his will is that all may be saved
2 Peter 3:9
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9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance

 
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Hi, Dear online brothers and sisters


Is 144,000 the only number of enrollment into gate of heaven?
If the enrollment of heaven is limited to 144,000 back then, shouldn't it expand accordingly with exponentially growth of mankind now ?
Where else do majority of chosen one, Christians go, if unfortunately, they didn't match with their number one , top one , the best choice.
Does it ever clearly depict where the rest go?

Thank you. highly appreciated.



Revelation 14:1,3, reads:

(1) “Then I saw, and look! the lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who have his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.”

(3) “And they were singing what seems to be a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders, and no one was able to master that song except the 144,000, who have been bought from the earth.”


24 hours in a day x 6 days of labor = 144
40 years in the wilderness x 360 days of a biblical year = 14,400
400 years in Egypt x 360 days of a biblical year = 144,000
 
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Hi, Dear online brothers and sisters


Is 144,000 the only number of enrollment into gate of heaven?
If the enrollment of heaven is limited to 144,000 back then, shouldn't it expand accordingly with exponentially growth of mankind now ?
Where else do majority of chosen one, Christians go, if unfortunately, they didn't match with their number one , top one , the best choice.
Does it ever clearly depict where the rest go?

Thank you. highly appreciated.



Revelation 14:1,3, reads:

(1) “Then I saw, and look! the lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who have his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.”

(3) “And they were singing what seems to be a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders, and no one was able to master that song except the 144,000, who have been bought from the earth.”
144,000 is in apoplectic literature it is symbolic not literal.
 
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Hi, Dear online brothers and sisters


Is 144,000 the only number of enrollment into gate of heaven?
If the enrollment of heaven is limited to 144,000 back then, shouldn't it expand accordingly with exponentially growth of mankind now ?
Where else do majority of chosen one, Christians go, if unfortunately, they didn't match with their number one , top one , the best choice.
Does it ever clearly depict where the rest go?

Thank you. highly appreciated.



Revelation 14:1,3, reads:

(1) “Then I saw, and look! the lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who have his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.”

(3) “And they were singing what seems to be a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders, and no one was able to master that song except the 144,000, who have been bought from the earth.”
Revelation 7 has the 144,000 12000 from each of the tribes of Israel
but afterward it has a great multitude that can't even be counted.
A lot more than 144,000.
As far as I know, the 144,000 are Jews who were not believers in Christ that believed on Christ after He came in the clouds after the 6th seal. Christians were raptured. So someone has to be on earth spreading the gospel. That's why the 144,000 are sealed to protect them from the wrath of God. So they can be on earth to spread the Gospel and save as many as possible. That is what I believe anyway.
Zechariah 12:10 and Revelation 1:7 (2 witness verses) both show that Israel will look on Jesus, and recognize Him as the one that they pierced, and mourn because they now realize that He is the messiah that they've denied for thousands of years. That is when Israel will begin to be saved on a large scale. Some Jews do find Jesus even now, but not most of them. When Jesus appears in the clouds sometime after the abomination of desolation in the great tribulations, that's when that'll begin happening. Revelation 7 and 14's 144000 is the evidence of that, and at the end of the wrath of God, is when all of Israel will be saved (Revelation 11:13)
 
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Hi Natto,

Your answer is in Revelation 7:9.

After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Emphasis is mine to make it clear to you.
 
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24 hours in a day x 6 days of labor = 144
40 years in the wilderness x 360 days of a biblical year = 14,400
400 years in Egypt x 360 days of a biblical year = 144,000
144,000 ÷ 666 = 216.216216216 ect

144,000 ÷ 888 = 162.162162162 ect

888 = name of jesus
666 = name of beast

So they are closely related.

216 = 200 = fallen angels 10 = ten commands or toes 6 = adam

162 = 100, 60, 2 no idea the meaning. Not certain about 100 though 200 is fallen so 100 is something good. 60 can be seen as man is the head of the law because 6 × 10, 2 for the son of god who is fully God and man. ~ shrug~

The compressed Form of 666 is 36 because 6 × 6 = 36 and 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16+17+18+19+20+21+22+23+24+25+26+27+28+29+30+31+32+33+34+35+36 = 666

144,000 ÷ 36 = 400
4 is the number after 3, the Trinity. 40 means captivity. I forget what 4 means. Probably "angelic emanations" or "divine ideas or images" is one thing it means.

One last thing that is interesting is that 36 + 4 = 40 :) corruption of and enslavement to angelic emanations or divine ideas/images or to the 4 gospels. Or beastly pollution of the Divine image/expression.
 
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Hi, Dear online brothers and sisters


Is 144,000 the only number of enrollment into gate of heaven?
If the enrollment of heaven is limited to 144,000 back then, shouldn't it expand accordingly with exponentially growth of mankind now ?
Where else do majority of chosen one, Christians go, if unfortunately, they didn't match with their number one , top one , the best choice.
Does it ever clearly depict where the rest go?

Thank you. highly appreciated.



Revelation 14:1,3, reads:

(1) “Then I saw, and look! the lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who have his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.”

(3) “And they were singing what seems to be a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders, and no one was able to master that song except the 144,000, who have been bought from the earth.”

144 000 Are Jewish virgin preachers who preach the gospel during tribulation , the period of time when people wan't to die but can't and will suffer cuz God is punishing whole earth and all unbelievers.

No heaven is not limited to 144 000 people..
There will be millions of believers but majority of people who died are still damned.

When Christian dies , the spirit goes to heaven and at the day of redemption we will get our resurrected bodies untill then you wait.
 
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144,000 ÷ 666 = 216.216216216 ect

144,000 ÷ 888 = 162.162162162 ect

888 = name of jesus
666 = name of beast

So they are closely related.

216 = 200 = fallen angels 10 = ten commands or toes 6 = adam

162 = 100, 60, 2 no idea the meaning. Not certain about 100 though 200 is fallen so 100 is something good. 60 can be seen as man is the head of the law because 6 × 10, 2 for the son of god who is fully God and man. ~ shrug~

The compressed Form of 666 is 36 because 6 × 6 = 36 and 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16+17+18+19+20+21+22+23+24+25+26+27+28+29+30+31+32+33+34+35+36 = 666

144,000 ÷ 36 = 400
4 is the number after 3, the Trinity. 40 means captivity. I forget what 4 means. Probably "angelic emanations" or "divine ideas or images" is one thing it means.

One last thing that is interesting is that 36 + 4 = 40 :) corruption of and enslavement to angelic emanations or divine ideas/images or to the 4 gospels. Or beastly pollution of the Divine image/expression.



Scott sees these thing in ways not even he can describe in a written form ....
 
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Scott sees these thing in ways not even he can describe in a written form ....
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42 stages of the wilderness.
88 twofold new beginning, like Elisha.
26 gematria for the four letter name yhvh. One time Scott mentioned 42 stages of the wilderness of Earth and then one of Heaven. that whole masculine and feminine thing I guess.

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4 + 2 is 6. 2 + 6 is 8. Both ends being added up it makes 6888. This of course means adam is Jesus Christ.

Nice member number.

But more than seeing are some of those acts that people have done in this world. Then they have a will and understanding. Just taking delight in that goodness they make is very nice. If they can make my heart Rejoice like a child I can forget about my crippling mortality for a while. The relief these people give who live out their faith without even knowing that they are soothes me like how David soothed saul with his music playing.
 
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42 stages of the wilderness.
88 twofold new beginning, like Elisha.
26 gematria for the four letter name yhvh. One time Scott mentioned 42 stages of the wilderness of Earth and then one of Heaven. that whole masculine and feminine thing I guess.

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4 + 2 is 6. 2 + 6 is 8. Both ends being added up it makes 6888. This of course means adam is Jesus Christ.

Nice member number.

But more than seeing are some of those acts that people have done in this world. Then they have a will and understanding. Just taking delight in that goodness they make is very nice. If they can make my heart Rejoice like a child I can forget about my crippling mortality for a while. The relief these people give who live out their faith without even knowing that they are soothes me like how David soothed saul with his music playing.

One time Scott mentioned 42 stages of the wilderness of Earth and then one of Heaven. that whole masculine and feminine thing I guess.



The church that was in the wilderness camped 42 times before they entered into the promise (you find this as well with Elisha, and the children and two she bears, along with the path that he took never remaining in understanding/tabernacles, but turning back to the duality of Pentecost, the promise to him not being sure). It's a pattern or part of the pattern of the son being revealed in us. The midst of the week equates with the tree that is in the midst of the garden that we are. In the wilderness, where nakedness is revealed, as the pattern is, the tree of knowledge becomes the tree (to our soul or the woman) that is in the midst of the garden, which divides the sacrifice of God into two fruits/sons of a tree, the garden not being enclosed, therefore a wandering between two mountains or perceptions of self.

Dan, the serpent in the path/the serpent who brings judgment/equating with Passover, and Ephraim, the cake not turned, or the duality of Pentecost, and the walk in the wilderness where they camp 42 times (Ephraim's speech and the 42,000 at the Jordan), in the form of a cross, linking it with Elisha's travels, the 144,000 dealing with the same pattern of the garden, and can be seen starting in Genesis with the hours of the day defined by the day man was created, being that Genesis (from this view), or the creative days, are about the bringing forth of a son, which becomes the rest of God's soul, which only rests in himself, or the one who is equal with him, which is as the resting of the Dove. But without two opposing perceptions, nothing happens, and without the coming together of the two, nothing ends.


Though the forty and two, or three and half appear in many forms, they all speak of a cake that is half baked (Pentecost) or a work not finished and the crossing over a Jordan into the promise.

Ephraim comes to a Jordan as 42,000, the same number of times they had set up camp (42, which also connects with Elisha's travels in the same pattern, or in symbolism the tabernacle is assembled and appears as what is hung on a cross, crucifying the truth of what Jesus saw in the mirror, and is in relation to what is found in the midst of the week). One was The Son, the other, the process of coming to it. Each phase of this salvation shows what the mirror in progression reveals of this process in us. The laver is a mirror, and the waters show what is Passover by what is seen in the laver (which holds two places in respect to how the tabernacle and Solomon’s temple play out in the overall pattern, and connect with the red sea and the Jordan).

A thought on wisdom ...

Wisdom (Passover/cross, in relationship to the process of a garden/soul enclosed, or a rest unto life) and innocence are the same truth.

It is the truth of the moment, as is all the creative days/feasts but as seven that are summed up in the 8th (to which there is an anti) which equates to what the sixth (man/living soul (found in the symbolism of the fours 4/14/40/144/144,000/etc.) is to the seventh ... they are in one form the keys … the moment is what we live in, which is Gods which equates to us as the state of being as it does to God as our Father as the Truth which is a constant (Word of God as something we possess) over flowing (testimony of Jesus/living soul of Christ as something we possess) of the truth of self and the process of it.

The feasts are the moment in relationship to process, they have a relation with that which always is as they do with that which is always coming, one is the garden, one is what the garden is enclosed in which is truth/self.

The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens (equating with the first and last feast (which is also the two of the three ones is called up to Jerusalem to keep), that are in the midst of the seven. It being the same truth though they are separate, which is to us, the relationship of all things, all things being of God and God filling all things).

To the soul (garden not enclosed (or in another form, Harlot) wisdom is a commodity …
 
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144,000 is mentioned three times in revelation.

One suggestion is that the number comes from 12, a symbol for totality, which is squared and multiplied by one thousand for more emphasis

The bible wheel related 144 with:

The Elect [1Thes 1.4]

00144G_TheElect.gif


He Ekloge

Before, Antiquity

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Qedem

The Heart [Jn 14.1]

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Full of Wisdom [Ezek 28.12]

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In that day shall there be one LORD [Zec 14.9]

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Mourn, Lament [S# 5594]

00144H_Mourn,Lament.gif


Wizard [S# 3049]

00144H_Wizard.gif
 
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144,000 is mentioned three times in revelation.

One suggestion is that the number comes from 12, a symbol for totality, which is squared and multiplied by one thousand for more emphasis

The bible wheel related 144 with:

The Elect [1Thes 1.4]

00144G_TheElect.gif


He Ekloge

Before, Antiquity

00144H_OfOld.gif


Qedem

The Heart [Jn 14.1]

00144G_TheHeart.gif


Full of Wisdom [Ezek 28.12]

00144H_FullOfWisdom.gif


In that day shall there be one LORD [Zec 14.9]

00144H_InThatDayShallThereB.gif


Mourn, Lament [S# 5594]

00144H_Mourn,Lament.gif


Wizard [S# 3049]

00144H_Wizard.gif

In the middle of its street and of the river, on this side and on that side, was a tree of life, producing twelve fruits, yielding its fruit according to each month; and the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.

12 x 12 = 144
 
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