gaara4158
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Doesn’t matter at this point how sure you are about your special “self sacrificial love” phenomenon not happening in animals. Your argument hinges on it being true. And you can’t demonstrate that, so your argument fails in the very beginning. But even if it didn’t, I have thoroughly explained why none of the conclusions you draw from it actually follow. So yes, you’re out of rebuttals.running? How so? I never made the claim animals were not altruistic I said this:
"So no I don't fully believe animals even can be altruistic, in the full definition of the word. I add sacrificial to altruism. And that is not in the definition. "
because self sacrificial love and altruism have different meanings.
altruism is simply doing something selflessly, self sacrificial love is that plus the fact that you are doing something sacrificially. So I was amending the definition of altruism, (which I should not have done). As I don't agree with people changing definitions of words. The problem is that you brought altruism into it, but I was never talking about altruism, I have only debated about self sacrificial love, altruism as I have proven is a different thing. But regardless I did say that altruism can only be proven in an animal if you could read it's thoughts to tell it was doing something unselfishly, and you did not respond, or could not respond to that.
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