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You find stoning your unruly children to be moral?The best system of morality is found in the Bible. It is quite simple and straight forward.
You find stoning your unruly children to be moral?
I'm always dumbfounded by those who claim obtaining morality from an ancient book is superior to reason and logic. SMH
Quoting WLC's unsupportable assertions is inadvisable.Reason and logic alone can never yield moral norms. You can never derive an "ought" from an "is". You've got to have some "oughts" in your assumptions in order to get anywhere with reason and logic. But where did you get those assumptions from? They cannot be accounted for apart from God's existence.
Quoting WLC's unsupportable assertions is inadvisable.
Would you like to have a discussion?
You quoting WLC who was paraphrasing Hume... but I digress.
So, is stoning unruly children moral?
Is that a yes, then?What is WLC?
This is a complex question which needs to be evaluated within cultural and historical context.
For example, in the ANE where there was no police force, if someone murdered your brother then it would be up to you to play the avenger of blood and carry out justice by finding and executing that criminal.
Today such vigilante justice wouldn't be moral because we have a much better system in place.
Is that a yes, then?
There are certainly situational principles within the moral framework revealed in Scripture.So god's morality is situational?
So not absolute then?
In which situation is it moral to stone a stubborn child, then?
I have another very important question to ask of everyone.
I am a firm believer in God and believe that morality is certainly derived from Him and Him alone... that being said, however, I'm wondering how a person would debate this with someone like an Atheist? Atheists do not believe in God, so telling them that morality comes from God would probably not be all that convincing.
If morality comes from God and God only, then there would obviously be no other answer to tell anyone who was asking since the truth is objective and not just some kind of malleable or subjective reality. But, even still, how would someone discuss this point with an Atheist who clearly does not believe in God and seems highly unlikely to cave in to the idea?
It seems hard for you to just say yes. But you would say that obviously now that would be immoral? Is that according to the Bible or according to your own idea of what you think to be acceptable?What God commanded for Israel to do in their situation was not immoral.
So a dictate of stoning stubborn children or homosexuals was ok with god at one point in time, but not now? How would you know if it were to become ok or not at some future point in time?At least in the context of post-conquest, pre-exhilic, national Israel.
And there are situational ethics in the Old Testament that are not meant to be absolute, to answer your question.
Let´s assume for a moment that there is a God;I have another very important question to ask of everyone.
I am a firm believer in God and believe that morality is certainly derived from Him and Him alone... that being said, however, I'm wondering how a person would debate this with someone like an Atheist? Atheists do not believe in God, so telling them that morality comes from God would probably not be all that convincing.
If morality comes from God and God only, then there would obviously be no other answer to tell anyone who was asking since the truth is objective and not just some kind of malleable or subjective reality. But, even still, how would someone discuss this point with an Atheist who clearly does not believe in God and seems highly unlikely to cave in to the idea?
So a dictate of stoning stubborn children or homosexuals was ok with god at one point in time, but not now?
How would you know if it were to become ok or not at some future point in time?
How exactly is the belief in a God a better (or: more valid) basis than any other possible belief regarding morality?Since you say you don't believe in God, what basis do you have for saying that stoning children is immoral?
Thanks for being honest and admitting that belief in god is justification for stoning stubborn children and homosexuals.Since you say you don't believe in God, what basis do you have for saying that stoning children is immoral?
Thanks for being honest and admitting that belief in god is justification for stoning stubborn children and homosexuals.
I believe stoning stubborn children and homosexuals is wrong at all times in all situations.
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