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Where do you stand on the 2020 election

Do you want a solid investigation into the election so truth can be shown either way?

  • I don't care, I just want to see my family for Christmas.

    Votes: 2 3.6%
  • Biden won, lets investigate and prove it.

    Votes: 11 20.0%
  • Trump won, lets investigate and prove it.

    Votes: 12 21.8%
  • This should be forensically investigated and the criminals imprisioned.

    Votes: 24 43.6%
  • Biden won, I don't want to investigate.

    Votes: 18 32.7%

  • Total voters
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Will you accept the winner if it is investigated and legally proven that one or the other wins? Or do you just want Trump out and Biden in.. end of story?

But aren't you creating an awkward premise? If Trump wins the "legal" position will the other side claim it truly was legal? You would have it the final decision by judges should rightly be considered facts. A better question might be are you willing to live with the decision even though you might not agree with it.
 
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Hi albion,
That there's going to be some big reveal of fraud before the inauguration and if Trump conceded then it won't matter. That's not true. Al Gore conceded, and then withdrew the concession, but finally ended up conceding again. If Trump concedes and some major election fraud becomes known, the concession isn't legally binding in any way.

So no need then right for anyone to make any big deal worth getting into strife about for one no conceding right? Some people like to make it seem like it's a constitutional demand. If they vacated the White House (whoever it is) on Jan 20th well there's your concession.
 
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The difference is that you are saying it's over. However, it's not over. All the evidence is not in and not all the cases have been heard.

Yes there are still cases pending. I expect that they will be decided the same as previous cases—they will be thrown out for lack of evidence. Of course you said that the state judges are corrupt but never offered evidence to support that claim. You keep talking about all this evidence being out there. Judges have examined evidence that has been presented and dismissed it.

It will go to SCOTUS.

As I have said multiple times, the Supreme Court is no bound to take a case.

I understand that you voted for Biden. Doesn't that mean you are not republican? I mean, I don't always vote PC or Liberal or NDP in Canada... but I don't claim or belong to any party... If I was a member of the PC party.. I wouldn't vote for the others.. I wouldn't still claim to be PC. Understand my logic?

I answered this before. Try reading what I wrote.
 
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Can I ask you if you want Biden to win by a fraudulent election, or a legitimate election? Do you think that your view, if wrong, should outweigh the view of the majority, if you are wrong? Do you think that the ballets should be thoroughly investigated and all illegal ballets thrown out? Or, do you think that every ballet should be counted no matter what?
Okay if we're going to go with the majority of people. I can promise you there are more people who would rather have Biden in office than Trump. I read somewhere else that the Republican party makes up about 25% of the population. That's nowhere near a majority. So if the Democrats did cheat...so what. The Republicans without a doubt cheated when it came to Bush and Gore. Gore simply had the character to not make a big hoopla and fight cuz he realized it would hurt America. Donald Trump doesn't care if what he's doing hurts America or not all he cares about is his ego. But you know what there's been plenty of investigations and almost all of it has been debunked. Donald Trump will leave they're not going to have to drag him out kicking and screaming but he will draw it out to the last minute. That hurts the United States. There is something more important than political parties Al Gore realized an steped down. Donald Trump is a narcissist and a sociopath and he does not care in the least that his hoopla is actually hurting the United States.
 
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Hi archivist,

You know, it used to be a joke, "How do you know that a lawyer is lying?"
Response: Their lips are moving.

Now the new joke is: "How do you know that a lawyer is lying?"
Response: They worked on team Trump.

God bless,
ted
Love it!
 
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But aren't you creating an awkward premise? If Trump wins the "legal" position will the other side claim it truly was legal? You would have it the final decision by judges should rightly be considered facts. A better question might be are you willing to live with the decision even though you might not agree with it.
I would expect anyone with integrity, especially if they claim to be Christian, to accept the decision of those in power to determine the winner under the rules of the land held by the constitution of the USA. Do I think that the democrats will go quietly the way they are requesting Trump to.... and to peacefully unite as one country....not even a small chance. Look at their track record so far...it speaks volumes. Look at the Republican demonstrations...even those peaceful gatherings enraged the antifa to the point that they were violent. Most just want the truth. Is the threat of rebellion and violence and vandalism a reason to live under a lie? What happened to "Live free or die"? If this election is rigged, and a farce...Then the US is no longer a democratic and free republic.
 
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Yes there are still cases pending. I expect that they will be decided the same as previous cases—they will be thrown out for lack of evidence. Of course you said that the state judges are corrupt but never offered evidence to support that claim. You keep talking about all this evidence being out there. Judges have examined evidence that has been presented and dismissed it.



As I have said multiple times, the Supreme Court is no bound to take a case.



I answered this before. Try reading what I wrote.
Time will tell.
 
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'Time will tell' - must be the new zombie tagline, seeing that a lot. Of course it starts with Trump - if he hadn't given so much glamour to lying and fraud all the hangers on would never have crawled out of the woodwork to get their share of the pie. Of course the supreme court will reject it, they can hardly be expected to rule on random hearsay. They're still a functioning court, thankfully, and not so easily duped by the garbage Trump fans feed on.
I think you better take a look at all the evidence coming out. More every day. Now they have the Dominion machines to audit...
 
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I think you better take a look at all the evidence coming out. More every day. Now they have the Dominion machines to audit...

There has been one actual instance of fraud where some postie changed a few votes from Democrat to Republican. That’s the only actual fraud that has been shown to have actually happened, as far as I know. Give me a single incidence of actual fraud some actual evidence can be provided for, other than that. No vague reference to stuff you know nothing about or daft fantasy stuff, something concrete that clearly shows an actual case of fraud actually happening somewhere.
 
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to accept the decision of those in power to determine the winner under the rules of the land held by the constitution of the USA

That has already happened...so where is the integrity you are demanding from others? All that remains of the actual, real election is ratification by congress.
 
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Okay if we're going to go with the majority of people. I can promise you there are more people who would rather have Biden in office than Trump. I read somewhere else that the Republican party makes up about 25% of the population. That's nowhere near a majority. So if the Democrats did cheat...so what. The Republicans without a doubt cheated when it came to Bush and Gore. Gore simply had the character to not make a big hoopla and fight cuz he realized it would hurt America. Donald Trump doesn't care if what he's doing hurts America or not all he cares about is his ego. But you know what there's been plenty of investigations and almost all of it has been debunked. Donald Trump will leave they're not going to have to drag him out kicking and screaming but he will draw it out to the last minute. That hurts the United States. There is something more important than political parties Al Gore realized an steped down. Donald Trump is a narcissist and a sociopath and he does not care in the least that his hoopla is actually hurting the United States.
To say that you can promise that more people would rather have Biden than Trump, for President..is a statement that should leave no reason for a forensic investigation into the eyewitness claims against the election. What have you got to lose? In fact, they should be rushing to aid in a full review of each ballot, acceptance of the legit ones and rejection of those that are not legal... If I was as confident as the Biden believers were.. I wouldn't be fighting it. Ever hear the phrase "put your money where your mouth is".. seems like a lot of jaw flapping but nobody willing to risk the investigation.
 
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To say that you can promise that more people would rather have Biden than Trump, for President..is a statement that should leave no reason for a forensic investigation into the eyewitness claims against the election. What have you got to lose? In fact, they should be rushing to aid in a full review of each ballot, acceptance of the legit ones and rejection of those that are not legal... If I was as confident as the Biden believers were.. I wouldn't be fighting it. Ever hear the phrase "put your money where your mouth is".. seems like a lot of jaw flapping but nobody willing to risk the investigation.

What are you on about? The ‘investigators’, whom no-one has tried to hinder, have turned up at 46 court hearings so far and been laughed out of each one for lacking the most basic requirements to make a coherent allegation, never mind a case.
 
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There has been one actual instance of fraud where some postie changed a few votes from Democrat to Republican. That’s the only actual fraud that has been shown to have actually happened, as far as I know. Give me a single incidence of actual fraud some actual evidence can be provided for, other than that. No vague reference to stuff you know nothing about or daft fantasy stuff, something concrete that clearly shows an actual case of fraud actually happening somewhere.
Actually, there are 1000 or more affidavits that will come out in court. Not to mention the videos of stored ballots counted at night, the woman palming a USB drive, people filling out one ballot after another, and the seized Dominion machines.. 20 of them. I'm concerned of the violence that will follow, more than the evidence being accepted.
 
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What are you on about? The investigation, which no-one has tried to hinder, has turned up at 46 court hearings so far and been laughed out of each one for lacking the most basic requirements to make a coherent allegation, never mind a case.
What news do you listen to? They have not been seen by a judge. They have been in legislature. The hearings are not court. Rudy pointed this out several times to misinformed people of the legislature. The one witness even had to say that she has never been in front of a judge. The affidavits are like being sworn into a court.. without being in an actual court. None have been in a court.
 
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Actually, there are 1000 or more affidavits that will come out in court. Not to mention the videos of stored ballots counted at night, the woman palming a USB drive, people filling out one ballot after another, and the seized Dominion machines.. 20 of them. I'm concerned of the violence that will follow, more than the evidence being accepted.

It’s unfortunate that a bunch of morons who can’t deal with reality are likely to become violent. Ridiculous notions about things they don’t even attempt to understand are no excuse for that.
 
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What news do you listen to? They have not been seen by a judge. They have been in legislature. The hearings are not court. Rudy pointed this out several times to misinformed people of the legislature. The one witness even had to say that she has never been in front of a judge. The affidavits are like being sworn into a court.. without being in an actual court. None have been in a court.

Here’s some reality for you: Subscribe to read | Financial Times

And a bit more:
Wisconsin Federal Judge Picks Apart Sidney Powell and Lin Wood’s Lawsuit in ‘Brutal’ Order

And some more: Trump's latest batch of election lawsuits fizzle as dozens of losses pile up

What’s next ? Those aren’t ‘real’ judges or ‘real’ courts?
 
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Have you seen or have any evidence that even one affidavit has been read or one witness testified in any court?

The judge today read a pre written paper of dismissal. How much do you think he listened when his mind was made up beforehand?

That's what I thought. It's very very easy to find left based media.
 
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Have you seen or have any evidence that even one affidavit has been read or one witness testified in any court?

The judge today read a pre written paper of dismissal. How much do you think he listened when his mind was made up beforehand?

That's what I thought. It's very very easy to find left based media.
Judges examine evidence when it is presented. Do you have proof that the paper the judge read was “pre-written?” It was probably based on notes taken when reviewing the pleadings and listening to the arguments.
 
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