I am not interested in a scripture slinging match - I have seen this for years on CF and it achieves little if anything.
There you are... describing me as having a 'religious philosophy'...
But Carl, there is a religious philosophy which exists today, that teaches that the Commandments which were against Paul, Jews and Gentiles, were written by the hand of God. You are furthering this religious philosophy. And I, in obedience to the guidelines set forth by the Disciples of Christ, am trying to "prove all things" here. Therefore I asked you for scriptural evidence to support the religious philosophy you are promoting.
"Deut 28 - The Law with the blessings and the curses which Jesus abolished on the Cross."
The problem is that there is not even a hint, a suggestion, or even a slight implication that Duet. 28 which supports or promotes the religious philosophy that the Commandments contained in ordinances that were against Paul, Jews and Gentiles, were written by the Hand of God. None that I can see. Or that the "Handwriting of ordinances" Jesus took out of the way, were the the Laws given and referenced in Duet. 28. I posted much of it, and I promoted discussion of the rest so as to understand how you use this chapter to support your statement regarding whose commandments were the enemy of man. But you refused to even engage.
You should take a step back and take a breath friend. You have accused me of all manner of evil and heretical sins against God by somehow plotting against a brother in some sort of evil wicked scheme which involves tricking you into an actual examination of Scriptures that Paul said were for Reproof and Doctrine. I have said or done nothing untoward here. My questions are legitimate as well as the reason for asking them.
I suppose you have an 'inspired understanding' then...
I am Seeking an inspired understanding to be sure. One inspired by the Holy Scriptures. This is the reason why I asked the questions that you completely ignored. I have not given my understanding here. I am not here to promote my views or any religious philosophies. I read your statement and asked you questions regarding them. And for this I am now, in your mind, an evil person slinking about, setting about to bring you into some heretical state of Godlessness. I can assure you my intentions here are for the edification of the brethren, not wickedly trick you into a discussion of Scripture.
I have just come back from a long journey having attended a funeral.
I am exhausted.
I feel you there. I am a week into a COVID recovery. I lost 20 lbs in 10 days, my lungs are bruised and I have no strength. I've been isolated, alone in a spare bedroom for 14 days with only the Holy Scriptures for comfort. I was so blessed to have them, for as the Lord's Christ says, they are Spirit and they are Life.
I am sorry for your loss.
You can read my testimony thread here...
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I read nothing but scripture for 5 years I don't have a denominational bias or a 'religious philosophy'
In your attempt to defend yourself and your religious views, you have twisted this conversation to become about you or me. It's not about you or me, and was not from the beginning. I did not raise the questions I posed as an attack against you personally, any more than Jesus brought an attack against the people of HIS Time when HE asked them questions.
The young ruler we very briefly discussed did the same thing as you are doing here Carl. If your statement about yourself were really true, shouldn't you be able to find at least ONE Scripture in the Entire Bible which supports your religious philosophy that the "Handwriting of ordinances" that were against Paul, Jews and Gentiles, were written by the Hand of God? And if you are unable, then how does this make me a wicked person setting about to snare righteous men and bring them into heresy?
I am much more into walking close with Jesus than pretending to be a theologian. If you want to spar with scripture, I am probably not a good choice. I am more of a prophetic/evangelist/encourager than a teacher. I have however done some non-denominational bible study.
Again, Carl, my brother, this isn't about you personally. Although you are working very hard to make it so. I have asked you questions about your position on Scriptures you slung. I am instructed to do so by the Word's of your own Bible. I'm sure you truly believe what you believe just as we all do. All I asked for is something more than your own words in support of the doctrines you are promoting here on this forum. I am not accusing you of anything untoward in the questions I asked. Had you provided the Word's inspired by the Most High which show that the "Commandments, contained in ordinances" that were against Paul, Jews and Gentiles, were written by the Hand of God, as you imply, then we are all set. Our minds and God's united in Spirit and Truth.
But you have not provided anything other than a conspiracy theory that I, with evil intent, was trying to deceive you into some heretical trap. It's just not truth. And being untrue, does not originate from the Spirit of Christ. This should be of more concern to you than me.
I have learned to listen to those who have a deep relationship with the Father more than those who present systematic theology.
Every religious person on earth believes they have a personal relationship with God. As do I. So did the young ruler, and those in Matthew 7 who did all in Christ's Name.
I would contend that there is only ONE Voice we can trust as brother Paul instructs his fellow Children of God.
2 Tim. 3:
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
For this reason I asked for support from the Holy Scriptures that the "Commandments contained in ordinances" that were contrary to Paul, Jews and Gentiles, were written by the Hand of God, and not the Shepherds who were promoting the commandments of men.
Frankly, I am amazed that you are so reluctant to examine this question.
I am interested however in what folks believe because the Truth sets us free and I don't like to see folks bound.
Set's us free from what Carl? From untruth, Yes? From winds of doctrine that are not supported by the Holy Scriptures, Yes? From Doctrines and religious philosophies of men, Yes?
1 Thess. 5:
20 Despise not prophesyings. 21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
And how can we come to this truth apart from the Holy Scriptures?
I like to let my walk with Jesus speak for itself and encourage others to follow Him as I have. Tell us something about yourself...
In all due respect, you have been elusive, and accusative. You post scripture then refuse to examine them. You deflect from your own action, and bring accusations on others who have simply asked you for scriptural support for your religious views.
You have turned a legitimate inquiry into the origins of handwritten ordinances which were against Paul, Jews and Gentiles, into some personal premeditated evil scheme to bring you into some heretical place. So I know you are capable of believing things which are not truth, because you have shown very clearly such a condition remains in you to this day. My hope is that you might reconsider the motives of your brother, and accept that it is not a sin or unrighteousness, to promote the honest discussion of Scriptures. Nor is it a sin to correct, or be corrected whichever the examination reveals.
As for me, I am a no-body. A maggot turd in the scheme of things who have accepted the instructions of the Lord's Christ Himself. "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY Word which proceeds from the mouth of God".
Therefore, because of HIS Instruction, I asked you for some kind of support from the God of the Bible in your promotion of the religious philosophy that the "Handwriting of Ordinances" that were against Paul, Jews and Gentiles, that Jesus took out of the way, were written by the Hand of the God of the Bible.
My hope is that once you have rested, and have looked intently into the mirror, you might reconsider the motives of your brother, and embark on a study into whose hands write commandments relegating Gentiles as without hope and without God in the world.
I hope you rest well.