Where do our souls go when we sleep?

[Lynn73]

Cripes man! Why are you so defensive? I'm allowed to give my point of view as well, and notice that I give scripture when I do.

Dean, Jesus didn't go to Paradise the day that He died. We know this because He told Mary on resurrection Sunday that He had not yet ascended to the Father. Also the thief and Jesus died on two different days. It was a misplaced comma in Luke 23:43...no need to give up your Christianity so calm down.

If someone telling you to read the HUNDREDS of verses that talk about death being a sleep, and about the resurrection of the dead, somehow threatens you.....you need to calm down and have FAITH brother.

Take it to the other thread, okay? I don't think peacelily wanted her thread to turn into someone giving up their faith over some different observations about what the Bible says.

Death is a sleep for our bodies, that's all. We go to be with Christ. The apostle Paul said He was willing to be absent from the body and present with the Lord. The rich man was conscious and alive in the torments section of Abraham's Bosom after His death. His soul wasn't sleeping, His body was. Soul sleep isn't biblical.

In answer to the OP, I don't think our souls go anywhere while we sleep. The soul remains with the body until the death of the body. Unless, of course, God has some special purpose for taking an individual somewhere while they're sleeping. I wouldn't think this would be a common occurence.

 

[Mikecpking]

His soul wasn't sleeping, His body was. Soul sleep isn't biblical.

In answer to the OP, I don't think our souls go anywhere while we sleep. The soul remains with the body until the death of the body. Unless, of course, God has some special purpose for taking an individual somewhere while they're sleeping. I wouldn't think this would be a common occurence.

You are right; our souls don't go anywhere while we are asleep.The soul dies at physical death with the body.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Death is a sleep for our bodies, that's all. We go to be with Christ. The apostle Paul said He was willing to be absent from the body and present with the Lord. The rich man was conscious and alive in the torments section of Abraham's Bosom after His death. His soul wasn't sleeping, His body was. Soul sleep isn't biblical.

In answer to the OP, I don't think our souls go anywhere while we sleep. The soul remains with the body until the death of the body. Unless, of course, God has some special purpose for taking an individual somewhere while they're sleeping. I wouldn't think this would be a common occurence.

Genesis 2:7 - And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


Can a soul die?
Ezekiel 18:4 - Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Ezekiel 18:20 - The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Psalms 78:50 - He made a way to his anger; he spared not their soul from death, but gave their life over to the pestilence;

Does a soul eat?
Leviticus 7:18 - And if any of the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings be eaten at all on the third day, it shall not be accepted, neither shall it be imputed unto him that offereth it: it shall be an abomination, and the soul that eateth of it shall bear his iniquity.
Leviticus 7:20 - But the soul that eateth of the flesh of the sacrifice of peace offerings, that pertain unto the LORD, having his uncleanness upon him, even that soul shall be cut off from his people.

Can a soul lie?
Leviticus 6:2 - If a soul sin, and commit a trespass against the LORD, and lie unto his neighbour in that which was delivered him to keep, or in fellowship, or in a thing taken away by violence, or hath deceived his neighbour.

Can a soul be destroyed?
Psalms 63:9 - But those that seek my soul, to destroy it, shall go into the lower parts of the earth.

Can a soul be torn?
Psalms 7:2 - Lest he tear my soul like a lion, rending it in pieces, while there is none to deliver.

Do souls have gender?
Numbers 15:28 - And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the LORD, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.

Can a soul be washed with water?
Leviticus 22:6 - The soul which hath touched any such shall be unclean until even, and shall not eat of the holy things, unless he wash his flesh with water.

Can your soul touch an object?
Leviticus 7:21 - Moreover the soul that shall touch any unclean thing, as the uncleanness of man, or any unclean beast, or any abominable unclean thing, and eat of the flesh of the sacrifice of peace offerings, which pertain unto the LORD, even that soul shall be cut off from his people.

Can a soul dry away?
Numbers 11:6 - But now our soul is dried away: there is nothing at all, beside this manna, before our eyes.

Can a soul faint?
Psalms 84:2 - My soul longeth, yea, even fainteth for the courts of the LORD: my heart and my flesh crieth out for the living God.

Can a soul be humbled?
Psalms 35:13 - But as for me, when they were sick, my clothing was sackcloth: I humbled my soul with fasting; and my prayer returned into mine own bosom.

Can your soul be persecuted?
Psalms 143:3 - For the enemy hath persecuted my soul; he hath smitten my life down to the ground; he hath made me to dwell in darkness, as those that have been long dead.

Can a soul hate God’s law?
Leviticus 26:43 - The land also shall be left of them, and shall enjoy her sabbaths, while she lieth desolate without them: and they shall accept of the punishment of their iniquity: because, even because they despised my judgments, and because their soul abhorred my statutes.

Can a soul be purchased?
Leviticus 22:11 - But if the priest buy any soul with his money, he shall eat of it, and he that is born in his house: they shall eat of his meat.

We don't "have" souls, we ARE souls.

 

[oldsage]

Death is a sleep for our bodies, that's all. We go to be with Christ. The apostle Paul said He was willing to be absent from the body and present with the Lord. The rich man was conscious and alive in the torments section of Abraham's Bosom after His death. His soul wasn't sleeping, His body was. Soul sleep isn't biblical.

Yes, actually it is biblical, the people who believe it derive their answer from the bible. Now, it doesn't agree with some people's belief about what the bible says on the topic.

Martin Luther, the reformer and bible translator, and William Tyndale, bible translator, of the first English bible from the Hebrew and Greek text, both believed that the soul sleeps until the resurrection. I would guess these two icons of christian history didn't agree with the bible?

My point is, don't say something isn't biblical when the bible is used to show why the doctrine is to be believed.

I don't think that 'Transubstantiation' is true, but I do think it is biblical, insomuch that the doctrine is derived by biblical passages.

Chris

 

[Kvikklunsj]

What about all the people who have out-of-body type experiences when they're falling asleep or waking up?

 

[Lynn73]

You are right; our souls don't go anywhere while we are asleep.The soul dies at physical death with the body.

Don't think I agree with that. I don't believe in annhilationism. Whatever you want to call it, soul or spirit (I get confused on the difference), the part of us that is conscious and alive remains that way after the death of the body. The thief on the cross went to Paradise after the death of his body. Paul was very willing to be absent from the body and present with the Lord. Get it: Absent from the body = present with the Lord...for the Christian.

 

[oldsage]

Don't think I agree with that. I don't believe in annhilationism. Whatever you want to call it, soul or spirit (I get confused on the difference), the part of us that is conscious and alive remains that way after the death of the body. The thief on the cross went to Paradise after the death of his body. Paul was very willing to be absent from the body and present with the Lord. Get it: Absent from the body = present with the Lord...for the Christian.

not, really, actually that is reading a belief into the text. because you come from the assumption that you are absent from the body at death, but that has yet to be shown. I would say you are absent from the body when Jesus comes back and gives you are new one. The view someone holds to the nature of the soul determines how they read this passage.

Chris

 

[NeoGRizzly]

if every christian that dies goes right to heaven, then what is the first resurrection in Rev for?


and is the land of the dead a real place?

 

[Lynn73]

not, really, actually that is reading a belief into the text. because you come from the assumption that you are absent from the body at death, but that has yet to be shown. I would say you are absent from the body when Jesus comes back and gives you are new one. The view someone holds to the nature of the soul determines how they read this passage.

Chris

If that's what you choose to believe, fine. I don't get that from my reading of Scripture.

 

[TrustAndObey]

The MOST misquoted verse in the entire Bible....2 Corinthians 5:8 - We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Who wouldn't rather be with the Lord?

Paul tells us repeatedly that a Christian will "put on" immortality at the resurrection. Also that death to a Christian will be like the "twinkling of an eye". They'll have no idea how long they were asleep when Christ returns.

The next conscious thought a Christian will have after dying IS being present with the Lord, at resurrection.

 

[TrustAndObey]

What about all the people who have out-of-body type experiences when they're falling asleep or waking up?

You mean like Shirley MacLaine or what? I'm not sure I understand what you're asking.

 

[Jimmy West]

this link explains all!
http://www.christianforums.com/t2313881-where-does-our-soul-go-when-we-dream.html

They go shopping. Usually to Mervins

 

[NeoGRizzly]

it just like when I fall asleep in the van. we drive for hours but to me it's only like two mins.

 

[oldsage]

If that's what you choose to believe, fine. I don't get that from my reading of Scripture.

yes, that is what I said, how you view it comes from your assumptions, just like how I read it comes from mine, we can justify both points of view within our world view, and in order to show that to another you have to teach them your world view.

 

[Peacelily]

They go shopping. Usually to Mervins

 

[Mikecpking]

Don't think I agree with that. I don't believe in annhilationism. Whatever you want to call it, soul or spirit (I get confused on the difference), the part of us that is conscious and alive remains that way after the death of the body. The thief on the cross went to Paradise after the death of his body. Paul was very willing to be absent from the body and present with the Lord. Get it: Absent from the body = present with the Lord...for the Christian.

Hi Lynn,
That was the whole point of that post, most people take the Greek view that the soul is the 'person within' or that people are 'incarnated souls' when the reality is the bible does not teach that. The 'soul' (Nephesh) in the Hebrew and the NT scriptures is more akin to the 'life' and 'animal instinct' of our nature and is inseparable from us as living beings. In other words, we don't have souls, we are souls!
As regards to being conscious after death and before resurrection, there are 2 seemingly conflicting views whether we are 'asleep' or 'conscious with Christ'. It is not the most easy of views to reconcile, but I did read of a view that to the believer who dies will be taken forward in time to be with Christ and receive his resurrection body at parousia and to those who are left, centuries will have passed so therefore seem 'asleep' as parousia has not come. This could also be why Jeus said to the thief, "today, you will be with me in paradise", yet did not ascend to the Father sometime after..

 

[Kvikklunsj]

You mean like Shirley MacLaine or what? I'm not sure I understand what you're asking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-body_experience

 

[TrustAndObey]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-body_experience

I stopped breathing during brain surgery and didn't see a thing. The Bible tells us a person's thoughts perish when they die (Psalms 146:4, Eccl 9:5-6), so seeing something after death isn't Biblical.

They've been able to reproduce these sensations in a lab...they deprive the brain of normal amounts of oxygen and introduce c02 and people recall seeing a bright light, a tunnel, the sensation of floating outside of their bodies, etc.

 

[Kvikklunsj]

I'm talking moreso about the things that people experience before/during/after sleep (check out the part about spontaneous OBE's), not necessarily when they're dying.

 

[TrustAndObey]

OBEs are often initiated through lucid dreaming, where one is aware they are dreaming, though other types of initiation are discussed later. The majority of subjects (55+ of the 66 cases), who claim to have had an OBE, reported being asleep, on the verge of sleep, or having been asleep shortly before the experience. A large percentage of these cases referred to situations where the sleep was not particularly deep (due to illness, noises in other rooms, emotional stress, exhaustion from overworking, frequent re-awakening, etc.). In most of these cases, the subjects then felt themselves "wake up"; about half then noted a feeling of physical paralysis. These may be examples of sleep paralysis.

I think the site makes it clear that it's a part of dreaming and right before their subjects went into deep sleep. They were documenting 66 cases. There are billions of people on this planet. My guess is they had people come in that had these experiences pretty regularly already. If I had to do a lot of guessing, I'd guess it was people that are really into spirituality as well.

If they were to bring me in I'd bore them to tears. I snore sometimes and pull the covers off my husband, but I don't recall a time that I ever felt myself floating outside of my body.

Right before going into deep sleep I have jerked myself awake. I always thought that was kind of weird, until I realized my body was reacting to my foot being trapped in the blankets. That "part" of sleep is the part where you're still totally aware of the things around you, but you are going under. All kinds of things can happen when your body is drifting into sleep mode.

I recall a time when I was getting ready to go to cheerleading camp for the first time and I had been nervous/excited the entire week. I started dreaming that I had put my new shirt on (I loved the shirt) and that I was sitting in a field with my fellow cheerleaders picking grass. I woke up and I HAD put the shirt on and I was picking at the carpeting in my room.