Where do our souls go when we sleep?

[oldsage]

So Jesus didn't die on the cross huh?

"Jesus when He had cried again with a loud voice, yeilded up the ghost." Matt. 27:50

"And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and give up the ghost." Mark 15:37

And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost." Luke 23:46"When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost." John 19:30

Jesus didn't die on the cross huh?

She didn't say Jesus didn't die on the cross. Read what is said and not into what is said

 

[DeaconDean]

Starting with the top, outside of what Jesus told the thief on the cross where does it say Jesus went to heaven "that day"...can it be shown in scripture that he didn't go?

"And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise." Luke 23;43 He said TODAY! Not tomorrow, not two dats from now, but today!

 

[DeaconDean]

I give up, all scripture isn't profitable for doctrine (2 Tim. 3:16). I'll not post here again.

 

[TrustAndObey]

*sigh* The thread is about where our souls go when we're sleeping (as in dreaming - so it's not referring to death or "soul sleep" or anything else)...

I agree. I asked him to please take this to the other thread that is talking about this.

 

[oldsage]

"And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise." Luke 23;43 He said TODAY! Not tomorrow, not two dats from now, but today!

hmm, you didn't read my post...but as someone pointed out earlier, this is suppose to be about where souls go when you are sleeping.

 

[oldsage]

She said Jesus died two days later.

no, she did not, you just didn't read what is there

 

[DeaconDean]

just one more thing, you guys were the one who bashed me for stating my opinions. Not the other way around. You told me how wrong I was, I was answering in defense. But that don't seem to matter.

 

[TrustAndObey]

He changed the post you just quoted oldsage. Hopefully that means he went back and reread what I wrote and realized I did NOT say that.

 

[oldsage]

just one more thing, you guys were the one who bashed me for stating my opinions. Not the other way around. You told me how wrong I was, I was answering in defense. But that don't seem to matter.

Ok, when did I "bash" you for stating your opinion? never once did I do that, I recognize that people don't all believe the way I do and I work toward a common goal of understanding the scriptures. I got on you when you went crazy about misrepresenting that someone was saying and the comments you made about the bible lying, which had nothing to do with your opinion about the OP

 

[TrustAndObey]

I didn't bash him either. I gave a different opinion. I guess if the Bible doesn't say what he wants it to, then the Bible is lying, because *I* certainly never said the Bible was lying. Who knows.

The OP is an excellent question though (sorry Peacelily, I never intended for this to get totally off-topic). I learned a lot about the human brain a few years ago.

There are some people that anesthesia will not work on at all. They can't be "put under". They have overactive brain function.

Some of the dreams I've had were definitely not holy though, so I don't think all of our dreams are inspired honestly. I think it's part of our imaginations refusing to shut down while we sleep.

 

[sk8Joyful]

The OP is an excellent question though (sorry Peacelily, I never intended for this to get totally off-topic). I learned a lot about the human brain a few years ago.
There are some people that anesthesia will not work on at all. They can't be "put under". They have overactive brain function.
Some of the dreams I've had were definitely not holy though, so I don't think all of our dreams are inspired honestly. I think it's part of our imaginations refusing to shut down while we sleep.

what an interesting thread; so
in your opinion: Soul, Mind, Body amount to (one & the same :o thing)?
In that case,
how do you explain any number of contexts, like:
1. when prenatal baby's-choices veers off target, or
2. when a transplanted organ changes its host, or
3. when a person gains awareness thru other than usual-senses, or
4. many other contexts that your present model/beliefs can't quite explain? -
Ya think a bit more might be going on , than currently you have awareness of... and
have you ever wondered what?

Annie

 

[Mikecpking]

what an interesting thread; so
in your opinion: Soul, Mind, Body amount to (one & the same :o thing)?
In that case,
how do you explain any number of contexts, like:
1. when prenatal baby's-choices veers off target, or
2. when a transplanted organ changes its host, or
3. when a person gains awareness thru other than usual-senses, or
4. many other contexts that your present model/beliefs can't quite explain? -
Ya think a bit more might be going on , than currently you have awareness of... and
have you ever wondered what?

Annie

Hi Annie and others!
The 'soul' when someone is asleep (normal physical sleep!) is always there in the body. It is not the mind as the Greek philosophers like Plato would have it. The soul (Hebrew Nephesh) means primarily the physical life of a person

DT12:23 23 But be sure you do not eat the blood, because the blood is the life, and you must not eat the life with the meat.

You could say the difference between a corpse and someone who is asleep is the soul.

The soul is not the cntre of consiousness, the heart is!

 

[Quans]

Ok so the parable of lazarus, can also be viewed as a kind of description of Jesus his plight..

Luke16:27,31
Then he said'Ibeg you therefore farther that you would send him to my fathers house, for I have 5 brothers that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment. Abraham said to him 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
And he said 'No, father Abraham if one goes to them from the dead they will repent. But he said to him ' If they do not hear Moses and the prophets neither will they be persuaded through one that rises from the dead.

So first we have the prophets and the old testament, they didn't follow Gods law as layed out in the old law, So God sent his son, which for this explanation can be regarded as a prophet to, until his death and rising from the dead.
Still after his Death people continued in there old ways. I thnk in this one parable sums up mans biggest problem the need for constant reminders of what Gods intention is. And the sin of flesh that continuly taunts man and tries to pull him away from the one God and the one Jesus Christ.

 

[Quans]

Sorry posted to wrong thread!!..

But consider that soul is a 'living being' and also consider that soul is the spirit of God moving in us all Gen 2:7 God breathed his spirit into us to make us a walking living thing.

 

[sk8Joyful]

Hello -
You are entirely free to beleive as you wish , as is anyone else .

My comments on this subject, are *not* derived from either 'Philosophical, Religeous, nor Psych, readings. Nor do I concern myself with many 'facts' as science has been taught the past 50-years, as most of that is recently being questioned as plain-erroneous, or at best outdated. - So, if those are your sources of Info, then most likely

what I contribute, will come across as a foreign-language.
~ Also,
in my years of ministering/counseling people to rid/Free themselves of various kinds of pain, for the most part people care less re the 'philosophy', their concern is *can I Guide them in gaining the success they want*. ~ And as a 'Christian', it's important to me, I do so following JESUS' suggestions.

So, when I pose thoughtful questions in some of these areas, or make comments, I am drawing upon years of *practical*-experience, of actually helping people.

You said:

Hi Annie and others!
The 'soul' when someone is asleep (normal physical sleep!) is always there in the body.
It is not the mind as the Greek philosophers like Plato would have it. The soul (Hebrew Nephesh) means primarily the physical life of a person

DT12:23 23
But be sure you do not eat the blood, because the blood is the life, and you must not eat the life with the meat.

You could say the difference between a corpse and someone who is asleep is the soul.

The soul is not the centre of consiousness, the heart is!

Again, I thought the OP dealt with 'where do our souls go, when we sleep?', but
now into discussion,
you bring: Physical/tangible-concepts like Consciousness, Brain & Heart. - why increase confusion?

Yet our soul = spiritual in nature, when we allow our Learning/Mind to function congruently in conjunction with our Soul, its 'tangible'-Body will manifest continual rejuvenation.
Thus please,
make not the mistake of confusing/limiting the above-reverenced *mind*, with the 'physical-brain'.)

What is your working-experience in this area, Mikecpking?

Annie

 

[Mikecpking]

Sorry posted to wrong thread!!..

But consider that soul is a 'living being' and also consider that soul is the spirit of God moving in us all Gen 2:7 God breathed his spirit into us to make us a walking living thing.

Very close! But the soul is not the spirit of God moving in us; the hebrew word 'Nephesh' is translated 'life' many times in the OT. Also, animals are 'nephesh' (Gen 2:19). The person is a 'living soul' (gen 2:7) and soul can also mean the whole person in other places. But in essence, the blood is the vehicle of 'Nephesh' (DT12:23).

So to answer the original poster's question, what happens to our soul when we go to sleep (Physically), the answer is nothing!

When we die, the soul (the life) dies with the body, never to return unless resuscitated it 'returns' not that its gone anywhere.

 

[Mikecpking]

Hello -
You are entirely free to beleive as you wish , as is anyone else .

My comments on this subject, are *not* derived from either 'Philosophical, Religeous, nor Psych, readings. Nor do I concern myself with many 'facts' as science has been taught the past 50-years, as most of that is recently being questioned as plain-erroneous, or at best outdated. - So, if those are your sources of Info, then most likely

what I contribute, will come across as a foreign-language.
~ Also,
in my years of ministering/counseling people to rid/Free themselves of various kinds of pain, for the most part people care less re the 'philosophy', their concern is *can I Guide them in gaining the success they want*. ~ And as a 'Christian', it's important to me, I do so following JESUS' suggestions.

So, when I pose thoughtful questions in some of these areas, or make comments, I am drawing upon years of *practical*-experience, of actually helping people.

You said:
Again, I thought the OP dealt with 'where do our souls go, when we sleep?', but
now into discussion,
you bring: Physical/tangible-concepts like Consciousness, Brain & Heart. - why increase confusion?

Yet our soul = spiritual in nature, when we allow our Learning/Mind to function congruently in conjunction with our Soul, its 'tangible'-Body will manifest continual rejuvenation.
Thus please,
make not the mistake of confusing/limiting the above-reverenced *mind*, with the 'physical-brain'.)

What is your working-experience in this area, Mikecpking?

Annie​

Hi Annie,
Thanks for the reply, you can call me 'Mike'!

I was trying to define what the scriptures define as 'soul', nothing to do with consiousness or the brain or the mind. 'Soul' in topics like these has nothing to do with the Hebrew understanding of the soul (Hebrew=Nephesh).

I was simply answering the original poster's question, trying to keep it in the biblical understanding of the word, not the Greek philisophical view of soul=mind='inner self'.

I apologise if the post was off topic to how it developed, but I needed to state something.

This is a theology forum?​

 

[Peacelily]

I didn't bash him either. I gave a different opinion. I guess if the Bible doesn't say what he wants it to, then the Bible is lying, because *I* certainly never said the Bible was lying. Who knows.

The OP is an excellent question though (sorry Peacelily, I never intended for this to get totally off-topic). I learned a lot about the human brain a few years ago.

There are some people that anesthesia will not work on at all. They can't be "put under". They have overactive brain function.

Some of the dreams I've had were definitely not holy though, so I don't think all of our dreams are inspired honestly. I think it's part of our imaginations refusing to shut down while we sleep.

Not a problem my friend!

Thanks you for your explaination. BUT I was told that God can use ONLY SOME of our dreams to comunicate to us. I have had many spiritual dreams about God or Angels and such! As for the other stuff like day to day stuff I can see how that is our imagination!

Thank you and God bless!

 

[TrustAndObey]

Not a problem my friend!

Thanks you for your explaination. BUT I was told that God can use ONLY SOME of our dreams to comunicate to us. I have had many spiritual dreams about God or Angels and such! As for the other stuff like day to day stuff I can see how that is our imagination!

Thank you and God bless!

When the Latter Rain falls we will all have visions and dreams. For now, I definitely agree that some dreams could be considered "prophetic". I have had dreams before that made me wake up and search scripture, certainly. I know a young man from England that has prophetic dreams quite often and he writes them down immediately after he wakes up to "test" them against scripture. He's only fifteen and some of the dreams scare him because they show his family's personal ordeals before the second coming.

I definitely think God uses some of our dreams to give us information, however, we do have to test them against scripture. If they contradict scripture then we know they couldn't have been inspired.

 

[Dragons87]

Actually, I was kinda hoping that my soul would stay with me when I sleep...hehe