Where did the Church first go wrong?

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

I think the op ran with the ball a fair distance but the air is yet to clear what a bulldozer can't.

 

[Guide To The Bible]

Again, where did you get this idea? It ain't from the Bible.

Psalm 37:7
Be still in the presence of the LORD, and wait patiently for him to act. Don’t worry about evil people who prosper or fret about their wicked schemes.

Psalm 46:10
He says, "Be still, and know that I am God; I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth."

 

[Guide To The Bible]

Something that we had all figured out at the end of reading your first post.

"We" Do you have in your imagination that everyone else on this thread/forum are your best buddies and are with you there in you home, all laughing with you? You must be very deluded. They are no more for or against you than the neighbours cat.

 

[Guide To The Bible]

I think the op ran with the ball a fair distance but the air is yet to clear what a bulldozer can't.

I believe in miracles not bulldozers.

 

[Monk Brendan]

Psalm 37:7
Be still in the presence of the LORD, and wait patiently for him to act. Don’t worry about evil people who prosper or fret about their wicked schemes.

Psalm 46:10
He says, "Be still, and know that I am God; I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth."

This does not say "be still, apostles, and know that I am God."

This is just a general instruction, from the OT to all Jews, and people of good will. Yes, it is still valid for today, but there is nothing in either quote about Jesus talking to the Apostles.

 

[Guide To The Bible]

This does not say "be still, apostles, and know that I am God."

This is just a general instruction, from the OT to all Jews, and people of good will. Yes, it is still valid for today, but there is nothing in either quote about Jesus talking to the Apostles.

Wow! So you think it was good for every time except for when Peter got lot-casting happy?

 

[Monk Brendan]

"We" Do you have in your imagination that everyone else on this thread/forum are your best buddies and are with you there in you home, all laughing with you? You must be very deluded. They are no more for or against you than the neighbours cat.

No, I always walk around with a frog in my pocket!

 

[Guide To The Bible]

No, I always walk around with a frog in my pocket!

Best place for them I say.

 

[DrBubbaLove]

Are you recommending that when someone starts swinging wildly because another has dared to say that he disagrees with something that's been posted...the best approach would be to let it pass unanswered?


That may seem predictable to you. However, the facts are otherwise. You can look around and see that it's quite one-sided. On this very thread, for example, I have been told that my church gave up Apostolic Succession and that Henry VIII founded it, neither of which is true. Look and see how I responded. Did I call names or tell the other person he ought to get off the forums, etc.? No. And I'm not praising myself in so saying because it's nothing unusual among the Anglicans, Lutherans, Presbyterians, or such here on CF.

What I would recommend is that someone holding negative opinions about the Church and not desiring to publically air that would not attempt to insert themselves between a poster holding very dim views of the Church and a Catholic defending against such views.

Especially not attempting to do so by making the following comment when the discussion was not about the First Council Jerusalem where the local Bishop would be host but actually the very first acts as Apostles and actually their acknowledged, even by you leader recorded in Acts 1. Not just embarrassing but grossly an off swing of any sword. Where did the Church first go wrong?

That's your novel interpretation. You may find your novel interpretation compelling, but I see it as without any warrant. Peter called for a successor to Judas and his place was filled. They waited in Jerusalem and while waiting brought the number of apostles back up to twelve.

"...and all this happened in a council chaired by James, not Peter, and in Jerusalem (as you noted) where James was the host and bishop ordinary, not Peter."

To which that reply was my first exchange with you in this thread. So whose sword swinging wildly to enter a frey are we talking about?

 

[Monk Brendan]

Wow! So you think it was good for every time except for when Peter got lot-casting happy?

Getting away from lot casting (which has a Scriptural basis) you are still saying that Peter and the Apostles--not just Peter, mind you all jumped up right after Jesus ascended to heaven, and began to change things to the way they wanted it.

 

[Monk Brendan]

Best place for them I say.

Get along with you!

 

[Guide To The Bible]

Getting away from lot casting (which has a Scriptural basis) you are still saying that Peter and the Apostles--not just Peter, mind you all jumped up right after Jesus ascended to heaven, and began to change things to the way they wanted it.

Urr no, I didn't say that. That's just your over active imagination.

 

[Guide To The Bible]

Get along with you!

The other day i heard someone said say "mad as a box of frogs" it really tickled me.

 

[afishamongmany]

Ok guys and gals, happy Friday to all. I've jumped here from page 10 so don't know if someone has already brought this up.

Which name will be written on one of the twelve foundations of Holy Jerusalem as per Revelations 21:14? Matthias or Paul or?

A lot of tennis has been played on this thread. Some times there's an ace or two and a few skillful passing shots but too much of it is so predictable and nobody's keeping score so ....
But I am interested on people's take on which name it will be.
For what it's worth, the thing that helps me to handle the mess and confusion of 'Christianity' on earth is remembering that 'The Church' is in essence, invisible.
Churches come and go, 'The Church' is being built to perfection just as Our Lord promised He would.
Halleluia!
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[Citizen of the Kingdom]

I believe in miracles not bulldozers.

in juxtaposition to law and effect? ok now I'm getting it lol

 

[Guide To The Bible]

Ok guys and gals, happy Friday to all. I've jumped here from page 10 so don't know if someone has already brought this up.

Which name will be written on one of the twelve foundations of Holy Jerusalem as per Revelations 21:14? Matthias or Paul or?

A lot of tennis has been played on this thread. Some times there's an ace or two and a few skillful passing shots but too much of it is so predictable and nobody's keeping score so ....
But I am interested on people's take on which name it will be.
For what it's worth, the thing that helps me to handle the mess and confusion of 'Christianity' on earth is remembering that 'The Church' is in essence, invisible.
Churches come and go, 'The Church' is being built to perfection just as Our Lord promised He would.
Halleluia!
><>

Well I know Jesus' name will be on the Cornerstone and Peters on the stone next to that.

 

[Guide To The Bible]

in juxtaposition to law and effect? ok now I'm getting it lol

Yes I think we're really beginning to understand each other.

 

[DrBubbaLove]

Only by the priest in the temple. Jesus came to fulfil the physical temples requirements. We are now the temple and instead of drawing lots we have the Holy Spirit to guide us. Something you should consider taking up because it will help lead you into all truth. Which you obviously need very much.

So if the priest were right to cast lots in the temple presumably because of God's presence there, why would the Apostles who spent more time with Him and have surely had faith in His Guidance than those priests be wrong? Even the Psalmist declares the Spirit would make happen what was done, Judas memory erased and his seat filled.

Why do you use so many words? And it was not God who made the mistake it was PETER!!! PETER!!! PETER!!! BLOODY PETER!!!!

Who picked Peter?

 

[Guide To The Bible]

So if the priest were right to cast lots in the temple presumably because of God's presence there, why would the Apostles who spent more time with have surely had faith in His Guidance than th

Who picked Peter, the man some apparently claims to be morally superior too along with all the other Apostles?

I can't keep going over this just for you.

Move along, nothing to see here.

 

[DrBubbaLove]

Oh yeah, I'm getting as bad as you. Least you had a short post this time

Actually the thread started off poorly and I objected only when the tone evident in the beginning of this thread got more offensive. And my first reply to the true nature of the jab in the OP being revealed actually made some light of it. That someone gets chuckles from throwing rocks at a Church they obviously do not understand and arm themselves to do so by discrediting all the Apostles and by inference God's choice in them is not funny at all.