No suffering, no merit, no meriting of praise.
Is that your own personal edition of a Bible I have not heard of or is this a tradition that you hold to?
What is the source of your "no praise if you did not suffer" doctrine?
I can see how such a doctrine might lead one to the "God should not be praised for something if He did not have to suffer to accomplish it" -- but as I have stated repeatedly - that is very very thin logic...
You need some compelling evidence - for such a strong statement about God not deserving of any praise if He is not suffering in some way to accomplish what He does..
"They
studied the scriptures daily to SEE IF those things spoken to them by the Apostle Paul - were SO" Acts 17:11
Is 8:20 To the law and to the testimony!
If they do not speak according to this word, it is because
there is no light in them.
1 Thess 5:21 21
Test all things; hold fast what is good
This kind of post is one of my pet peeves, namely people like you who DEMAND explicit biblical declaration of my logical constructs.
You are making a very very strong statement about when not to praise God - which is a huge issue... and then complaining that such a great assertion should have to rest on solid ground in scripture.
Have you thought that through??
You people are the same ones who believe in the Hypostatic Union!!! Show me where THAT strange doctrine is CLEARLY spelled out in Scripture.
You are right on two counts in that statement - and wrong one one of them.
That phrase is claiming that Christ (Greek term for Messiah) was both God and man in a single person, which is:
a. A huge claim
b. It is a claim that needs a lot of solid Bible evidence supporting such a view
But you are wrong to suppose it does not have the following strong support in scripture
John 14 says it this way
9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own
authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. 11 Believe Me that I
am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
John 1 says it this way
In the beginning was the Word, and the
Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
14 And
the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 20 says it this way
28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “
My Lord and my God!”
John 17 says it this way
Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2 as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4 I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 And now, O Father,
glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
So then it is found in scripture. In fact very strong support for the divinity of Christ in scripture. (as we also see in Hebrews 1 where Angels are commanded to worship Him)
, it's a logical construct. Even the Trinity is a logical construct.
You are right that it is a huge claim and you are right that it needs scripture support - but you are wrong to claim it does not have it.
1. ONE God Deut 6:5
2. In THREE Persons Matt 28:19
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So then this is a case of the SAME standard being held in all cases which gets us back to why I keep pointing this out in the case of your assertions where even you appear to agree you have almost nothing to support it.
