Where are we now in the book of Revelation?

Serendipity.. · May 4, 2014

iamlamad said:
Boring? Being a part of the Body of Christ in these last days is ANYTHING but boring!

LAMAD

It has its moments like anything of repetition. I am bored with watching people hurting people and animals and pretty much slowly destroying a planet.

10s3r · May 4, 2014

iamlamad said:
The Author told me of His intent when He wrote it.

LAMAD

When people try to prove they're right.... by building themselves up by saying, "The Author told me," Implying that they have the truth..that they are inspired... and others are not.

That's when people should see red flags. And you Lamad are full of red flags.

You have no more insight into any of this than anyone else. You do however have more fabrications!

Old Timer · May 4, 2014

iamlamad said:
The Author told me of His intent when He wrote it.

LAMAD

That's odd.. the Author told me that Revelation 12 was in the future and not in the past..

Now what.. back to telling me that I need a baptism of the Holy Spirit?

iamlamad · May 5, 2014

Old Timer said:
That's odd.. the Author told me that Revelation 12 was in the future and not in the past..

Now what.. back to telling me that I need a baptism of the Holy Spirit?

No, He did not. He does not tell one person one thing, and another person the opposite. You were mistaken.

As for the baptism with the Holy Spirit, it was a COMMAND, not a suggestion. You DO need to receive Him! Do you understand, there are verses in the bible you cannot fulfill without this mighty baptism? For example:

Jude 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost

LAMAD

iamlamad · May 5, 2014

10s3r said:
When people try to prove they're right.... by building themselves up by saying, "The Author told me," Implying that they have the truth..that they are inspired... and others are not.

That's when people should see red flags. And you Lamad are full of red flags.

You have no more insight into any of this than anyone else. You do however have more fabrications!

Ah! Because I don't share your beliefs, then I have red flags? Perhaps the red flags are yours, and you don't even know it. What does the WORD say?

James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

Have you ASKED without wavering? Did you wait on Him for the answer?

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

DO YOU hear his voice? Do you wait on Him until He answers? If you don't hear His voice, then it is YOU that has problems.

John 15
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

This goes right back to hearing His voice: if you don't, you have problems. He is speaking, but you are not hearing. You SHOULD be hearing, if you are a born again child of God. It is NORMAL to hear Him.

Acts 9:4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

Acts 9:4
10 And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord.

Acts 11:7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.

Revelation 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet

It is NORMAL in the church to hear His voice.

I am NOT ashamed of the Gospel of our Lord. I am not ashamed that He speaks and I hear. When I back up what I hear with the very scriptures He talks about, why not just believe the very scriptures? it makes no difference if you believe me; BELIEVE THE SCRIPTURES! Don't twist them into what you THINK they possibly could mean. Form your beliefs from what the scriptures really SAY! If you don't understand, you have a right to ASK. After you ask, WAIT on Him to answer. If you pray much in the Holy Spirit, and meditate on the scripture asked about, one day He will answer, if you don't waver in your faith.

LAMAD

Old Timer · May 5, 2014

iamlamad said:
No, He did not. He does not tell one person one thing, and another person the opposite. You were mistaken.

As for the baptism with the Holy Spirit, it was a COMMAND, not a suggestion. You DO need to receive Him! Do you understand, there are verses in the bible you cannot fulfill without this mighty baptism? For example:

Jude 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost

LAMAD

It's kind of funny.. when I asked the other person how he knew the truth you thought that it was a fair question and you even laughed.. although when I asked you the same question it's a lot more serious isn't it..?

shturt678s · May 5, 2014

Serendipity.. said:
I if we are in the book of revelation now I hope it's towards the last few pages because it's getting really boring. I wish Jesus would return soon for us.

Actually we're real close to Rev.20:7. We're are in the preliminary judgments of Rev. chapters 8 & 9, "error's working" being IIThess.2:11, 12 expounded.

Old Jack's opinion

btw the thing to do is get thru the Trumpets of 'delusions,' and be measured at Rev.11:1.

SG9 · May 5, 2014

shturt678s said:
Actually we're real close to Rev.20:7. We're are in the preliminary judgments of Rev. chapters 8 & 9, "error's working" being IIThess.2:11, 12 expounded.

Old Jack's opinion

btw the thing to do is get thru the Trumpets of 'delusions,' and be measured at Rev.11:1.

Hello Jack,
By my calculations, we are between verse 9 & 10 in Rev ch 20, without addressing other related verses. A lot of time and history are covered in few words, and even within one sentence, and as example, 7 to 10 have a lot of overlap as the review and expand.

To give a better slice of info, I place the first part of verse 9 in the area of the mid-19th century. The shadow of the Cross is extended still and is not behind us. I associate the prophecies with current times as the parallel to older history. It's like saying that we can go anywhere in time with the truth of just one generation of history, and use it in comparison.

The other prophecies may not align when Rev 20 is not tuned in right. We need to step up the timing if we plan to win the race. Gap the plugs, and I'll check the steering wheel, Lol

I hope all is cool on the island. Thanks

iamlamad · May 5, 2014

Old Timer said:
It's kind of funny.. when I asked the other person how he knew the truth you thought that it was a fair question and you even laughed.. although when I asked you the same question it's a lot more serious isn't it..?

I laughed because Jack's doctrines are so far out of the ball park, he has left the playing field. For the most part, you and I agree on MANY points. I am not sure I have agreed with Jack on ONE point.

LAMAD

Old Timer · May 5, 2014

iamlamad said:
I laughed because Jack's doctrines are so far out of the ball park, he has left the playing field. For the most part, you and I agree on MANY points. I am not sure I have agreed with Jack on ONE point.

LAMAD

IMO it's no different in your situation, my situation, any persons situation.. because not a single one of us is the standard of the truth.

We all see dimly through a glass... remember?

bibletruth469 · May 6, 2014

Old Timer said:
IMO it's no different in your situation, my situation, any persons situation.. because not a single one of us is the standard of the truth. We all see dimly through a glass... remember?

We have the biblical scriptures for truth. If we open our eyes and hearts to the Holy Spirit , He will lead us to all truth. One must set their minds on the things of the spirit. Rom 8:5

Old Timer · May 6, 2014

bibletruth469 said:
We have the biblical scriptures for truth. If we open our eyes and hearts to the Holy Spirit , He will lead us to all truth. One must set their minds on the things of the spirit. Rom 8:5

Are you implying that YOU do not see dimly as through a glass, and have exhausted the limitless truth to the living and powerful word of God?

I can't imagine who would even begin to think that?

Old Timer · May 6, 2014

I hope that this illustrates the extreme importance of the example which Peter writes in the word of God concerning the scriptures being a more sure word of prophecy than if we were to hear the voice of God as he did on that mountain.

Because if the truth is reduced to what I hear versus what you hear.. then it's your word against mine.. although if all men are liars and His word alone stands.. then it's HIS word against ours.

Tremendous difference to say the least.

bibletruth469 · May 6, 2014

Old Timer said:
Are you implying that YOU do not see dimly as through a glass, and have exhausted the limitless truth to the living and powerful word of God? I can't imagine who would even begin to think that?

No , of course not. You misunderstood me. All I am saying is that the spirit of God will lead us to the truth contained in the scriptures for anyone who diligently searches. We do not know the complete mind of God; only what He tells us in the scriptures. However , we are not looking through dimly glasses; we read , study and we can understand what God is telling us. Every child of God has this opportunity to live in the spirit and not the flesh. Look at the chapter of Romans 8. It explains it perfectly

Old Timer · May 6, 2014

bibletruth469 said:
No , of course not. You misunderstood me. All I am saying is that the spirit of God will lead us to the truth contained in the scriptures for anyone who diligently searches. We do not know the complete mind of God; only what He tells us in the scriptures. However , we are not looking through dimly glasses; we read , study and we can understand what God is telling us. Every child of God has this opportunity to live in the spirit and not the flesh. Look at the chapter of Romans 8. It explains it perfectly

Of course the Spirit of God leads us into all truth.. so is it now a matter of not having the baptism of the Spirit again?

Like you have it and I don't because you're in the spirit and I'm in the flesh?

Is that the problem?

How does this relate to what you believe about Rev 12?

Do you believe that it's impossible for you to be wrong in your thoughts about it because you've heard God tell you that it's in the past.. or is there the possibility that you can be wrong.. with of course myself included?

The way that I'm hearing LAMAD right now is that there is no possible way that he can be wrong about Rev 12 being in the past.. because he claims that God told him that it is in the past.

How about your thoughts on that?

Old Timer · May 6, 2014

Once again.. I hope everyone can see the magnitude of this issue.

bibletruth469 · May 6, 2014

Old Timer said:
Of course the Spirit of God leads us into all truth.. so is it now a matter of not having the baptism of the Spirit again? Like you have it and I don't because you're in the spirit and I'm in the flesh? Is that the problem? How does this relate to what you believe about Rev 12? Do you believe that it's impossible for you to be wrong in your thoughts about it because you've heard God tell you that it's in the past.. or is there the possibility that you can be wrong.. with of course myself included? The way that I'm hearing LAMAD right now is that there is no possible way that he can be wrong about Rev 12 being in the past.. because he claims that God told him that it is in the past. How about your thoughts on that?

We are all human and fall into times of the flesh . This is where prayer comes into each situation . Gods voice is very quiet and sometimes may not be easy to hear, but it is possible to hear. I am not talking about audibly . This has never happened to me personally but I believe it can be possible .

As for revelation 12, it is an interpretation and I believe that it can be known as a secondary issue. It is one that will not make or break someone's faith IMO .

Old Timer · May 6, 2014

bibletruth469 said:
We are all human and fall into times of the flesh . This is where prayer comes into each situation . Gods voice is very quiet and sometimes may not be easy to hear, but it is possible to hear. I am not talking about audibly . This has never happened to me personally but I believe it can be possible .

What would you think the purpose of God speaking to our hearts and minds without that being directly linked to the scriptures?

My thoughts would be in the sense for people without scripture and being convicted of certain things perhaps.. but the point which I'm trying to center on is that God speaks through His written word, the holy scriptures which are able to make us wise unto salvation..

All other voices have a problem with being subjective don't they..

As for revelation 12, it is an interpretation and I believe that it can be known as a secondary issue. It is one that will not make or break someone's faith IMO .

I agree that it's not a game breaker or anything like that although look at what has happened here in this thread.. it's a perfect example..

There's a person who says that Rev 12 is in the past because the LORD told him so apart from the scriptures..

All I'm saying is that I'm hearing the LORD within the confines of HIS WORD which is clearly saying that these are the things which shall be hereafter.

See any difference?

Old Timer · May 6, 2014

Which voice in the above example should a Christian trust more?

Old Timer · May 6, 2014

Here's how I see it broadly..

The Prophets speak of the coming DAY of the LORD..

The Apostles speak of the coming DAY of the LORD..

Revelation 4-20... IS the DAY of the LORD.. it is the miraculous detail of the events of that DAY.. which shall come as a thief in the night and as travail upon a woman with child..

Where are we now in the book of Revelation?

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