where angels fear to tread

[AV1611VET]

But we can understand it.

If you can understand it so well, then perhaps you can tell us how angels came about sans abiogenesis or evolution?

 

[PsychoSarah]

If you can understand it so well, then perhaps you can tell us how angels came about sans abiogenesis or evolution?

-_- I don't think angels actually exist, so why would I have to explain how they came about?

 

[AV1611VET]

-_- I don't think angels actually exist, so why would I have to explain how they came about?

You can't -- that's my point.

How can you, if you don't believe they exist?

Yet he said he understands life so well.

How can a person "understand life so well," and not believe angels exist?

Simple -- they don't believe angels exist.

 

[PsychoSarah]

You can't -- that's my point.

How can you, if you don't believe they exist?

Yet he said he understands life so well.

How can a person "understand life so well," and not believe angels exist?

Simple -- they don't believe angels exist.

Would angels even qualify as alive to begin with?

 

[AV1611VET]

Would angels even qualify as alive to begin with?

Goodbye.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Goodbye.

Well, it isn't like I call you spiritually dead because you don't think the world rides on the back of a giant turtle.

 

[Gracchus]

I read the article, and if I understand it correctly, it's saying that there are some organic chemicals that can be manufactured from inorganic chemicals. Assuming I'm right about that, I have another question. Are organic chemicals *sufficient* for life?

Life is not the chemicals. Life is the reactions those chemicals undergo. And those reactions depend on the chemical environment, temperature, concentrations, pressure, reactants and catalysts.

If you can understand it so well, then perhaps you can tell us how angels came about sans abiogenesis or evolution?

Angels arose in the human imagination.

 

[AV1611VET]

Angels arose in the human imagination.

What keeps them there?

 

[bhsmte]

What keeps them there?

Psychological need.

 

[AV1611VET]

Psychological need.

I see.

So by extension, those who believe that life existed before abiogenesis, do so because they have a psychological need?

Let's forget angels then.

God is life.

Explain that sans abiogenesis & evolution.

Same thing, I take it? psychological need?

 

[Davian]

Psychological need.

Succinct.

 

[Nithavela]

Weren't you specifically asked not to derail this thread, AV?

 

[bhsmte]

I see.

So by extension, those who believe that life existed before abiogenesis, do so because they have a psychological need?

Let's forget angels then.

God is life.

Explain that sans abiogenesis & evolution.

Same thing, I take it? psychological need?

If one believes in something without objective evidence to confirm it, psychological need is in play. If one believes in something without objective evidence to confirm it and in fact plenty of objective evidence to show the believe is false, an even greater and more powerful psychological need is in play. IMO, a psychological need to believe in a God can be very healthy, as long as it doesn't force the person to put them above others and force them to deny well evidenced reality.

Those who choose to reserve judgment on conclusions until evidence can determine if it is likely true, are also following a psychological need - the need to believe things that are most likely correct.

What is the hang up with abiogenesis? Science doesn't claim there is ample evidence to show this is how life began, although many may take available information and think it is reasonable speculation.

 

[Dizredux]

What is the hang up with abiogenesis? Science doesn't claim there is ample evidence to show this is how life began, although many may take available information and think it is reasonable speculation.

What is left for them to dispute? The only tool many have left is that because no one can prove how life began therefore evolution is wrong. When you come down to it, there are no other arguments left except that and simple denial of reality.

Basically the creationist YEC argument, all to often, is that somehow, in some way there is something wrong with evolution because they don't want to accept it. They don't know what it is that is wrong and they keep searching but never finding, it has to be there somewhere.

Too bad in many ways. To me, they miss the wonder and excitement of discovering how God made his creation using natural (God given) law. Think of all the discoveries in biology and paleontology they have to ignore or reject.

Something new to learn every day and that keeps life fresh and interesting.

Dizredux

 

[AV1611VET]

What is the hang up with abiogenesis?

It's a lie of the Devil.

Science doesn't claim there is ample evidence to show this is how life began,

I know how life began:

1. Concerning God: self-existent
2. Concerning angels: creatio ex nihilo
3. Concerning plants, animals, man: creatio ex materia

No evidence needed, no evidence generated, no evidence period.

 

[bhsmte]

It's a lie of the Devil.

I know how life began:

1. Concerning God: self-existent
2. Concerning angels: creatio ex nihilo
3. Concern plants, animals, man: creatio ex materia

No evidence needed, no evidence generated, no evidence period.

If you know, then you should be in good shape then.

Are you bothered, that some disagree with you?

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you bothered, that some disagree with you?

When I'm told it is because of a "psychological need"?

 

[AV1611VET]

Weren't you specifically asked not to derail this thread, AV?

At 1.3 posts per day, I don't think you have to worry about me derailing a thread of yours, Nithavela.

And for the record, it takes at least two to derail a thread, does it not?

 

[EternalDragon]

If one believes in something without objective evidence to confirm it, psychological need is in play. If one believes in something without objective evidence to confirm it and in fact plenty of objective evidence to show the believe is false, an even greater and more powerful psychological need is in play. IMO, a psychological need to believe in a God can be very healthy, as long as it doesn't force the person to put them above others and force them to deny well evidenced reality.

Those who choose to reserve judgment on conclusions until evidence can determine if it is likely true, are also following a psychological need - the need to believe things that are most likely correct.

What is the hang up with abiogenesis? Science doesn't claim there is ample evidence to show this is how life began, although many may take available information and think it is reasonable speculation.

That's good then that Christians have eyewitness accounts and Jesus himself as objective
evidence, along with personal experiences as well as scientific evidence for the biblical history.

 

[bhsmte]

That's good then that Christians have eyewitness accounts and Jesus himself as objective
evidence, along with personal experiences as well as scientific evidence for the biblical history.

Sure, why not?