When Will Christ Return?

[rdcast]

There are two cuckoos mentioned on the General Theology forum who think they are Jesus and that the Second Coming is going to happen tomorrow night!

But Oscarr!!??!! how can our minor lordz be here today, yet come again tomorrow

 

[Achilles6129]

Wow, I never would have guessed this poll would have so many voters -35 so far! I can't remember ever seeing that many voters on a poll for the eschatology forum.

Anyways, the results so far are pretty interesting. Most people say "I don't know" or "2010-2020." The time has to be getting very close, because at this point in history the human race is now more corrupt than ever before. However, remember that the bridegroom tarries in the Bible:

"5While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept." Mt. 25:5

Tarried, #5549, chronizo, (from Thayer's Lexicon) to linger, delay, tarry. Vine's: "literally means to while away time."

The time must be very soon, but I think we still have a couple of decades to go. We are now seeing (in my opinion) the precursors to the apocalypse - serious climate changes, major earth changes, etc. But we still need a one world government and the antichrist.

However, maybe I'm wrong and the coming isn't in the early 2030s. Maybe it will be sooner than that. However, I can hardly conceive that it will be beyond 2040 - the earth has simply become too corrupt in the eyes of God. There's no way that God is going to allow the human race to get away with this level of corruption/violence/evil for very much longer.

 

[Nemo Neem]

"But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you." (Matthew 12:28, NKJV)

"The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, See here! For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." (Luke 17:20 - 21, NKJV)

 

[zeke37]

Who thinks that? You are the first that I have heard.

hi

i think I read your quote wrong....or answered wrong anyway...sorry
(save face)
most think....7 years, made at the beginning, broken in the middle...

Well, I agree we cannot pinpoint the exact day. These are not later than timeframes. I don't know where you are getting the 40 years from. If you are thinking that the generation of Israelites that wandered in the desert for 40 years, they were already adults. So the age of that generation before passing away was in their early 60's.

ummm...that has nothing to do with the fact that
40 is mentioned as a generation in the bible,
as are 70 and 120

Right now, based on the 1948 base date, the generation born in 1948 are in their early 60's as well, 61, 62 years old. So that is a match, when one considers those who wandered in the desert were already in their 20's when the 40 years began.

well...don't worry about who was what age, when....

but I agree with you...based on 1948 and a 70 year generation...
which means that the time is short
I was just showing all the possibilities...for just that reason...
to eliminate ones that are not valid anymore)

Anyway the 40 years (if taken by itself and not factoring in that the generation that passed away in the desert were already adults) combo with 1948 and 1967 have been eliminated. 1948+40=1988 (didn't happen) and 1967+48 =2015. 2015-7yrs = 2008 (for the seven years to start - didn't happen). So those are eliminated.

the end of the 70 year generation (if that is what it is)
will also end the 7 years (which has been shortened for the elect's sake)

so the final generation should start at 63 years...+7 = 70
if we use 1948 as the beginning year, then add 63 to that...
20011 as a late date that could be the beginning....
but the time is shortened for the elect's sake anyway,
so determining the exact amount of days is not possible

The 120 years goes back to Moses' day. Moses died at 120. And is not common for the past 2000 years anyway.

goes back to Noah's day....Gen6

70 years on the other hand appears to be very representative of recent generations, don't you think?

Doug L.

yes indeed I do....
I think it is about to begin real soon...
the final trib that is...

 

[Douggg]

yes indeed I do....
I think it is about to begin real soon...
the final trib that is...

Hi Zeke, okay, we agree that we think the 7 years is about to begin real soon... but not on the 7 years being shortened.

Doug L.

 

[rdcast]

ummm...that has nothing to do with the fact that
40 is mentioned as a generation in the bible,
as are 70 and 120

well...don't worry about who was what age, when....

but I agree with you...based on 1948 and a 70 year generation...
which means that the time is short
I was just showing all the possibilities...for just that reason...
to eliminate ones that are not valid anymore)

the end of the 70 year generation (if that is what it is)
will also end the 7 years (which has been shortened for the elect's sake)

so the final generation should start at 63 years...+7 = 70
if we use 1948 as the beginning year, then add 63 to that...
20011 as a late date that could be the beginning....
but the time is shortened for the elect's sake anyway,
so determining the exact amount of days is not possible

goes back to Noah's day....Gen6

yes indeed I do....
I think it is about to begin real soon...
the final trib that is...

Add to this, the issues of when the sun stood still and other time changing events, along with a myriad of other confounders, e.g., confusion over Jesus Christ's birth date and we begin to see just how serious God is in keeping, when His Second Coming, such a secret.
This has been my approach: Day 3480 to Tribulation

 

[zeke37]

Hi Zeke, okay, we agree that we think the 7 years is about to begin real soon... but not on the 7 years being shortened.

Doug L.

from

Mar13:19For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

20And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
21And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
22For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
23But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
24But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

and

Rev9:

1And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
2And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
3And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
7And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.
8And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
9And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
10And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months. 11And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

I suggest you check out the Strong's Concordance for Abaddon and Apollyon...
very interesting


so, since that time has been shortened...
and it was already many years in the OT ie. Dainel...
then it is not going to be that long when it actually happens

we already have the proposed timeframe in Daniel.

so any references that are in Daniel, to the length,
that we also see in Rev as to the length,
must therefore be shortened for the elect's sake...

and we know that the elect are the ones sealed in the mind
with the seal of God
which is another reference used in Rev9

 

[John 10:10]

Why not look at the Scriptures that specifically tells us when Christ will return?

When the Church completes the work on earth that God has called us to do according to Rom 1:16 and Matt 24:14, and God pours out His Spirit upon the Jews according to Rom 11:15, then the following will take place:

Acts 3;18 "But the things which God announced beforehand by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled.
19 "Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord ;
20 and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you,
21 whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.

The ball's in our court to complete this work on earth, then God will do His part.

Blessings

 

[HisdaughterJen]

So, what year range do you think Jesus Christ will return? Vote in the poll and then post your reason for your vote.

I think Christ will return in the 2030s for several reasons:

1) The 2030s will be exactly 2000 years after Christ left. God has a thing with numbers, and Christ has a 1000 year reign. It could be that Jesus Christ returns 2000 years after he ascended into heaven.

2) The timing is simply not right at this moment. We need a one world government before anything in the book of Revelation can begin happening, and it is going to take some time to set up a one world government (many legal hurdles, etc.). As soon as the one world government is in place the antichrist will appear. I think this will begin in the mid-to-late 2020s.

Everything is being prepared for a 2014-2015 timeframe as far as implementation of laws that will enslave the American people. Other countries already have them in place.

Yes, I believe that a one-world government has to be in place as well. The lightning pace at which they are moving toward this reality is dizzying. It won't be long now. All they have to do is collapse this economy and implement a world currency with a global oversight committee. He who holds the purse strings controls the world.

There is a sun/moon sign in 2014-2015 as well.

 

[interpreter]

The correct answer is none of the above.

The second coming of Jesus was on October 28th, 312AD when the sign of the Son of man appeared in the clouds, and Jesus came into power. On that day the first Christian conqueror appeared, riding a white horse and conquering with a bow. It is known as the turning point of history, i.e., when Jesus came into power and Christian nations began to dominate the Earth. Jesus has been sitting at the right hand of power ever since, and will to the end.

 

[B1inHim]

2 Peter 3:8 (KJV)
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


It took 6,000 years to create this planet and GOD rested the 7th


Hebrews 13:8 (KJV)
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.


The second week will be as was the first, 6,000 years of toil and 1,000 of rest

We are at the brink GIVE OR TAKE 3 to 13 years of it being the end of the (6,000th year) 6th day and the beginning of the 7th day 1,000 year Millennial Sabbath

Rhetorical Question.... why do you think that there is an EXACT amount of time the this planet is given rest from the Devil...

His Servant

 

[gracechick]

Everything is being prepared for a 2014-2015 timeframe as far as implementation of laws that will enslave the American people. Other countries already have them in place.

Yes, I believe that a one-world government has to be in place as well. The lightning pace at which they are moving toward this reality is dizzying. It won't be long now. All they have to do is collapse this economy and implement a world currency with a global oversight committee. He who holds the purse strings controls the world.

There is a sun/moon sign in 2014-2015 as well.

So you think the US government will get by with putting out more puppet presidential candidates for 2012 then?

 

[interpreter]

2 Peter 3:8 (KJV)
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


It took 6,000 years to create this planet and GOD rested the 7th


Hebrews 13:8 (KJV)
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.


The second week will be as was the first, 6,000 years of toil and 1,000 of rest

We are at the brink GIVE OR TAKE 3 to 13 years of it being the end of the (6,000th year) 6th day and the beginning of the 7th day 1,000 year Millennial Sabbath

Rhetorical Question.... why do you think that there is an EXACT amount of time the this planet is given rest from the Devil...

His Servant

The 7th day millennial Sabbath began in 2001, on 9/11, when the Euphrates was dry and the first shot of the Battle of Ar mageddon was fired, also known as the Battle of That Great Day of God Almighty.

 

[B1inHim]

The 7th day millennial Sabbath began in 2001, on 9/11, when the Euphrates was dry and the first shot of the Battle of Ar mageddon was fired, also known as the Battle of That Great Day of God Almighty.

You are not correct and time will tell... we are not free from the whiles of Satan for 1,000 years yet, THAT is a CORNER STONE for this time... time will tell

His servant

 

[wingsofworship]

Around 2018. Of course He could come tomorrow or 2019. I say 2018 because, for one thing, it is the end of a generation since the planting of the fig tree. He says not another generation shall pass.

 

[interpreter]

You are not correct and time will tell... we are not free from the whiles of Satan for 1,000 years yet, THAT is a CORNER STONE for this time... time will tell

His servant

Ar Mageddon is the final battle between good and evil, and then the Satanic beast of the Revelation is locked away for 1000 years.

 

[rdcast]

Around 2018. Of course He could come tomorrow or 2019. I say 2018 because, for one thing, it is the end of a generation since the planting of the fig tree. He says not another generation shall pass.

You're basing your calculations on three major tenants.
1)

26 Psalms 90:10
10 The years of our lives are 70; and if by reason of strength they be 80 years, yet most of them are labor and sorrow; for life is soon cut off and we fly away.
​

So, in case of "for reason of strength" your date advances to, "in or around" the year 2028.
(further discussion:Bible Time - The Bible’s Definition of a Generation)

2) The Gregorian Calendar's use of Jesus Christ's birth for it's origin.(known to be 2 to 8 years late)

3) 1948(Israeli War of Independence)

This is a synopsis of what I have surmised. Maybe it would be of interest to you: Day 3,476 to Tribulation and counting!

It's based on the end of a 6,000 man-year creation schedule for man's redemption, beginning at "first sin" and ending with the "Second Coming".

It's important to determine how many years had passed from the first sin to Jesus Christ's Resurrection.
Two thoughts:
First is the 3½ God-days, where Jesus Christ would have Resurrected in the middle of the 4th God-day of creation = 3,500 man-years after garden expulsion.
Second is that Jesus Christ was Resurrected at the end of the 4th God-day = 4,000 man-years after garden expulsion.

If we assume the latter, then we truly are near the very end of the 6,000 man-year schedule of creation/redemption. But if it's the first, then it's necessary to tack on a mere 500 man-years to that schedule.

Placing Jesus Christ's Resurrection at 4,000 man-years after first sin, arrives at the year 2,000 by the Gregorian calendar to reach the end of the 6,000 man-year schedule of creation/redemption and the Second Coming, but to account for the inaccuracy of Jesus Christ's birth, you might subtract a mean of 6yrs, that being midway between the 2 and 8 years agreed on by most prominent theologians. This brings the Second Coming by Gregorian standards to "in or around" the year 1994(didn't happen).

Now, put on the old thinking cap and consider why was Jesus Christ's birth chosen as the Gregorian starting point, when He always existed by Holy Scripture? The 6,000 man-year schedule of creation is for man's redemption, so the key point must be Jesus Christ's Resurrection and not his birth, which means it's now necessary to tack on 33yrs to the adjusted Gregorian year 1994, bringing us to the year 2027 to reach the end of the 6,000 man-year schedule of creation/redemption and Jesus Christ's Second Coming. Of course, subtracting 7 years from Jesus Christ's approximate Second Coming, brings us to the start of the Great Tribulation, "in or around" the year 2020, just under a decade from now!

If we can determine that Jesus Christ's Resurrection was in the middle of the 4th God-day of creation/redemption, then His Second Coming is then, "in or around" the year 2527, some 500yrs from now.

It's of interest to me personally, that when considering "for reason of strength", your date for Jesus Christ's Second Coming turns into, "in or around" the year 2028, only 1 year from my 2027.

Enjoy your Eschatology.

 

[Achilles6129]

You're basing your calculations on three major tenants.
1)

26 Psalms 90:10
10 The years of our lives are 70; and if by reason of strength they be 80 years, yet most of them are labor and sorrow; for life is soon cut off and we fly away.
​

So, in case of "for reason of strength" your date advances to, "in or around" the year 2028.

I would suggest that 2028 is the start of the great tribulation. Remember that the verse says they are "soon" cut off and fly away. Notice also that if the great tribulation starts at 2028, then the return of Christ would be about 3.5 years later, which would place his Second Coming almost exactly 2000 years after his departure. I think that this may be significant.

That's why I'm in favor of Christ returning between 2030 to 2040. As I mentioned in an earlier post, there is also a major asteroid due to pass near the earth in 2027 or 2028.

 

[rdcast]

I would suggest that 2028 is the start of the great tribulation. Remember that the verse says they are "soon" cut off and fly away. Notice also that if the great tribulation starts at 2028, then the return of Christ would be about 3.5 years later, which would place his Second Coming almost exactly 2000 years after his departure. I think that this may be significant.

That's why I'm in favor of Christ returning between 2030 to 2040. As I mentioned in an earlier post, there is also a major asteroid due to pass near the earth in 2027 or 2028.

I'm familiar with the asteroid The Continuing Story Of Asteroid 1999 AN10

I thought you believed the Second Coming was in or around 2018. If Tribulation starts at 2028, then the Second Coming would arrive in or around 2035. How do you calculate Tribulation to begin in or around the year 2028? Jesus Christ returns at the end of the 7 years of tribulation, not 3 ½ .

 

[Achilles6129]

I'm familiar with the asteroid The Continuing Story Of Asteroid 1999[wash my mouth]AN10

I thought you believed the Second Coming was in or around 2018. If Tribulation starts at 2028, then the Second Coming would arrive in or around 2035. How do you calculate Tribulation to begin in or around the year 2028? Jesus Christ returns at the end of the 7 years of tribulation, not 3 ½ .

No, I do not believe the Second Coming is around 2018 (you can click on the vote results and see my vote, it's a public poll).

As I said previously a couple of times, the reason I am arriving at 2028 for the beginning of the great tribulation is because of the 80 years described in Psalm 90. Even though it says "70 or 80" years, I believe the mention of "80" basically automatically says it is going to be 80.

Assuming that Pslam 90 is referencing the foundation of Israel (and I believe that it is), that would make 80 years from 1948 be 2028. The great tribulation lasts 3.5 years, not 7 years:

"5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months." Rev. 13:5

The forty and two months = 1 hour in revelation:

"12And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast." Rev. 17:12

Jesus Christ mentions the tribulation as the "hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the earth, to try them which dwell upon the earth":

"10Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth." Rev. 3:10

The hour = 42 months = the great tribulation (aka, "hour of temptation).

Since I have arrived at 2028 by adding 80 to 1948, we then must add 3.5 (the great tribulation) to 2028. We then arrive at approximately 2031/32, which, coincidentally, happens to be almost exactly 2000 years since Jesus Christ departure.

I believe that this may be significant, because Christ reigns for 1000 years. It would be interesting if Christ were to return exactly 2000 years after his departure, and then reign for the ensuing 1000 years.

So I believe that the Second Coming of Jesus Christ will be around 2031/2032. I believe that the great tribulation will start in 2028.