When Will Christ Return?

[rdcast]

Last decade, starting with 3,652 days with 3,488 left till Tribulation and counting !

This would hold true unless Jesus was born in the middle of the 4th God-day(3,527 man-years) after the garden expulsion. This would place the Second Coming in or around the year 2,527. That being 500 years latter.

no argument plz, hahaha, jk

 

[emilybeingemily]

I don't know and I don't think we're supposed to know for sure.

 

[Douggg]

imo, Jesus will return not later than May 14, 2018. Which means the 7 years will begin not later than May 14, 2011....less than one year away, max.


Doug L.

 

[rdcast]

imo, Jesus will return not later than May 14, 2018. Which means the 7 years will begin not later than May 14, 2011....less than one year away, max.

But what is your reasoning Doug L.? Your numbers are most specific, shouldn't your reasoning be as well?

 

[zeke37]

imo, Jesus will return not later than May 14, 2018. Which means the 7 years will begin not later than May 14, 2011....less than one year away, max.


Doug L.

what will be the proof (within a years time)
showing that we are in that time ?

how will you know the trib has started?

 

[Douggg]

But what is your reasoning Doug L.? Your numbers are most specific, shouldn't your reasoning be as well?

Yes, my reasoning is very specific. Based upon the parable of the fig tree in Matthew 24, there are two elements that have to be combined to arrive at a not later than date. 1. the budding of the fig tree. 2. the length of a generation that will not pass away until all things Jesus talked about in Matthew 24 are fulfilled.

The budding of the fig tree has two options. 1. May 14, 1948 when Israel became a nation again. 2. 1967 when Jerusalem was taken by the Jews.

The length of a generation, imo, is 70 years based upon Psalms 90 three score and ten, which is validated by the fact that King David died at 70 years old.

So May 14, 1948 + 70 yrs = May 14, 2018
1967 +70 years = 1937

I embrace the May 14, 2018 date because Ezekiel 38 invasion is end times and is based up on the nation of Israel, which is mentioned in the Ezekiel 38 text as a point of emphasis, while Jerusalem is not.

I must emphasize that the May 14, 2018 is a not later than date. Jesus could return before then, as long as the 7 years of the Antichrist can take place before hand.

So that means the confirming of the covenant by the Antichrist would have to take place sometime between now and May 14, 2011.

Doug L.

 

[Douggg]

what will be the proof (within a years time)
showing that we are in that time ?

how will you know the trib has started?

imo, when Gog/Magog takes place, the Antichrist will confirm the covenant right afterwards. Which, if the fall feasts are matched to Jesus's second coming like the spring feasts were at His first coming, that would mean that Gog/Magog would take place sometime this fall.


Doug L.

 

[zeke37]

most think that the confirming the covanent is at the mid point...

but remember that it does not have to happen right at the end of that 70 year generation,
(if that be the length of the last generation...40 and 120 years are also an option)

it has to happen before it passes away..could be 62 years or 65 years or 69.8 years...


and remember that jesus taught us that the time has been shortened for the elect's sake,
so it is not 7 years anymore..or even 1260 days...IMO see Rev9

 

[hometownprophet]

985 years from now, give or take 10 years, (Gregorian calendar). On the Biblical length of year, that is more than 1000 years from now. He will be back for the 144,000 in the near future- possibly in the range of 2030, but keep in mind that our current calendar of 365.25 days pers year was created more than 1000 years after Christ, which could alter the number of years by many years. I believe 2019 to 2023 will begin the anti-christ's appearance, making 2027 to 2030 the end of the 7 years where he and the false prophet will be thrown into the lake of fire and the devil will be sentenced to 1000 years in the pit/abyss.

 

[Douggg]

most think that the confirming the covanent is at the mid point...

Who thinks that? You are the first that I have heard.

but remember that it does not have to happen right at the end of that 70 year generation,
(if that be the length of the last generation...40 and 120 years are also an option)

it has to happen before it passes away..could be 62 years or 65 years or 69.8 years...

Well, I agree we cannot pinpoint the exact day. These are not later than timeframes. I don't know where you are getting the 40 years from. If you are thinking that the generation of Israelites that wandered in the desert for 40 years, they were already adults. So the age of that generation before passing away was in their early 60's.

Right now, based on the 1948 base date, the generation born in 1948 are in their early 60's as well, 61, 62 years old. So that is a match, when one considers those who wandered in the desert were already in their 20's when the 40 years began.

Anyway the 40 years (if taken by itself and not factoring in that the generation that passed away in the desert were already adults) combo with 1948 and 1967 have been eliminated. 1948+40=1988 (didn't happen) and 1967+48 =2015. 2015-7yrs = 2008 (for the seven years to start - didn't happen). So those are eliminated.

The 120 years goes back to Moses' day. Moses died at 120. And is not common for the past 2000 years anyway. 70 years on the other hand appears to be very representative of recent generations, don't you think?

Doug L.

 

[hometownprophet]

You shouldn't try to figure it out based on world events, but rather on the chronology that the Bible has assigned the end times with. Calculate the time based on the 1000 year period between the 7 years and the post-millenial events. You'll be surprised that the Bible gives a very specific itinerary- no popular end times view has ever matched it.

 

[Douggg]

985 years from now, give or take 10 years, (Gregorian calendar). On the Biblical length of year, that is more than 1000 years from now. He will be back for the 144,000 in the near future- possibly in the range of 2030, but keep in mind that our current calendar of 365.25 days pers year was created more than 1000 years after Christ, which could alter the number of years by many years. I believe 2019 to 2023 will begin the anti-christ's appearance, making 2027 to 2030 the end of the 7 years where he and the false prophet will be thrown into the lake of fire and the devil will be sentenced to 1000 years in the pit/abyss.

Hi hometownprophet, you kinda got a few things mixed up there. A day to the Lord is as a thousand years (paraphrased), agreed.

But we are talking about the age of men in terms of years, not days. A year is one orbit around the sun... in any calendar system.

If someone asks how old you are, do you answer in days or years? Please don't tell me days. That would be too weird.

Doug L.

 

[kotel]

Douggg's view on the timing of the Lord’s return at the end of the 7 year covenant is very close to my calculations. I have the tail end of 2011 for the covenant’s confirmation and the rapture somewhere in the middle of the seven years.

The length of Christ’s generation to see the destruction of Jerusalem was 40 Hebrew years. Our generation that will not all pass away before the things in Mt. 24 are fulfilled is 70 years according to our calendar. The length of the 70th week, 7 years, is based on the Hebrew calendar as was the previous 483 years fulfilled by Christ’s Triumphal Entry into Jerusalem a week before his crucifixion.

 

[rdcast]

There does seem to be a 6,000 year creation timetable, at the end of which, Jesus returns to rule with His faithful for a thousand years. This is the 7th God-day of rest I've called the "Millennium-Sabbath". When this 6,000 year creation timetable expires is dependent upon when Jesus resurrected. Was It 3,500 years after garden expulsion, or 4,000 years? If it was 4,000 years, then the Second Coming is due "in or around" the year 2,027(the 27 additional years represents a Gregorian adjustment). But if our Savior resurrected only 3,500 years after garden expulsion, then we'll have to wait an additional 500 man-years to arrive at the Second Coming, "in or around" the year 2,527. Praise be our Heavenly Father and His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. ("in or around" is used, for no man knows the exact time of our Lord's return, but know in what watch to look for Him).

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

There are two cuckoos mentioned on the General Theology forum who think they are Jesus and that the Second Coming is going to happen tomorrow night!

 

[hometownprophet]

Hi hometownprophet, you kinda got a few things mixed up there. A day to the Lord is as a thousand years (paraphrased), agreed.

But we are talking about the age of men in terms of years, not days. A year is one orbit around the sun... in any calendar system.

If someone asks how old you are, do you answer in days or years? Please don't tell me days. That would be too weird.

Doug L.

Doug L, The "year" in Biblical times was not based on the solar year. In a thousand years, our Gregorian calendar differs the ancients' methods by 15,250 days. That's about 41 Gregorian calendar years.

Their years, and months, were based on Lunar cycles, specifically, the first appearance of the new moon. It was agreed upon by two qualified individuals who announced their joint siting of the moon, because "no one knew the day or the hour" that the new moon would appear.

I'm not really sure where your quote about 1000 years fits in to where you think I'm mixed up. Are you saying that the 1000 years is not literal? God does refer to it as a Day, sometimes, "Today."

I base my beliefs soley on the Scripture, not world events. It is written that when Jesus appears that all would be brought to judgement and unbelievers sent to the Lake of Fire. The Scripture also states clearly that He would destroy the world immediately following this judgement and condemnation of the evil. Before any of this happens, Satan must be imprisoned for a literal 1000 years. Yes, God does consider this 1000 years as a day, a "day" of His rest, a day without Satan. But we aren't to see it as a 24 hour period of time.


Oh, and in 5 days, I will be 16,801 days old. On the Gregorian calendar, that's 46 years old, but with the Biblical calculation, it's only 44. (You see why I prefer the ancient calendar..... )

 

[hometownprophet]

There does seem to be a 6,000 year creation timetable, at the end of which, Jesus returns to rule with His faithful for a thousand years. This is the 7th God-day of rest I've called the "Millennium-Sabbath". When this 6,000 year creation timetable expires is dependent upon when Jesus resurrected. Was It 3,500 years after garden expulsion, or 4,000 years? If it was 4,000 years, then the Second Coming is due "in or around" the year 2,027(the 27 additional years represents a Gregorian adjustment). But if our Savior resurrected only 3,500 years after garden expulsion, then we'll have to wait an additional 500 man-years to arrive at the Second Coming, "in or around" the year 2,527. Praise be our Heavenly Father and His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. ("in or around" is used, for no man knows the exact time of our Lord's return, but know in what watch to look for Him).

rdcast,

Jesus resurrection was 4000 years after the whole Adam/Eve thing. At 3500 years after Adam/Eve, Daniel asked (in his vision) when all things would end, and he was told "a time, times, and half a time." While most agree this to be 3 1/2 years, in this context, it could mean 3 1/2 millenium, or "days to the Lord." This prophecy was the 1/2 way point of time, the two periods equalling 7, or 7000. This puts the fulfillment of Daniel's prophecy at 7 "Lord's days" from Adam/Eve... this would be close to our year 3000 A.D., but as early as 2995, due to the differences solar calendar from the lunar calculations of the ancients.

 

[Chris81]

Luke 12:35 - 40

"Be dressed in readiness, and keep your lamps alight. And be like men who are wait for their master when he returns from the wedding feast, so that they may immediately open the door to him when he comes and knocks. Blessed are those slaves whom the master shall find on the alert when he comes; truly I say to you, that he will gird himself to serve, and have them recline at the table, and will come up and wait on them. Whether he comes in the second watch, or even in the third, and finds them so, blessed are those slaves. And be sure of this, that if the head of the house had known at what hour the thief was coming, he would not have allowed his house to be broken into. You too, be ready; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour that you do not expect."

Quite simply Jesus calls us to prepare ourselves and be watchful for his second coming but Christ return will come at a time no can predict. We should likewise should treat everyone with suspicion who would claim to know the hour and day of Christ return.

 

[rdcast]

The "year" in Biblical times was not based on the solar year. In a thousand years, our Gregorian calendar differs the ancients' methods by 15,250 days. That's about 41 Gregorian calendar years.

WOW ! Praise God...I've never heard about this 15,250 day adjustment. How can I research this? There's also this issue over when the sun stood still and at least one other occasion when time was suspended, and if you consider the analysis from top theologians, their is this question over Christ's birth being 4 to 8 years late, invalidating the starting point for the Gregorian. So I use the mean of 6 years, making today's date "in or around" 2004, but only if you use His birth. I use His resurrection as the pivotal point in time, while following a 6,000 man-year or 6 God-day of creation timetable for His redemptive will toward man to complete. With this in mind, I add Christ's lifespan of 33yrs to 6 BC(Gregorian) arriving at 27 RE(Resurrection Era) as the true starting point from which to calculate the "watch" in which Christ returns. With these adjustments, today's date would then be 1993. Of course, this makes you 19 years old, using the ancients. Happy early 19th birthday my brother

Their years, and months, were based on Lunar cycles, specifically, the first appearance of the new moon. It was agreed upon by two qualified individuals who announced their joint siting of the moon, because "no one knew the day or the hour" that the new moon would appear.

This idea that the reappearance of the new moon was unknown is edifying. Where is this secret found?

I base my beliefs soley on the Scripture, not world events.

Amen to this standard. I'd draw a correlation between fundamental and technical systems of stock trading. Fundamentals can be fuzzy and often includes misrepresented and manipulative roomers, while technical analysis is based solely on trading activity from the standpoint of volumes, not easily misrepresented legally. When we use current events as fulfilled prophesies as time-line markers, we assume inspired knowledge, a most tenuous position, as the title of "false-prophet" could apply. Every generation since Christ's resurrection has prophesied His Second Coming to occur in its lifetime. This practice of vanity is difficult to resist due to our sin nature. After all, how can we NOT wish that the times of our lives be sooo important, that in and of itself, is proof enough of Christ's soon arrival? That certainly would elevate the importance of our work in Eschatology. VANITY OF VANITIES, ALL ARE VANITIES(not a direct quote). Point being, we could be dramatically wrong. I for one, haven't received direct and inspired prophecy to back my opinions on Eschatology. For instance, if Christ resurrected 3 ½ God-days of creation(3,500 man-years) after the garden expulsion, then my analysis will be off by a mere 500yrs too early, being that I base my calculations on Christ resurrecting at the very end of the 4th God-day of creation(4,000th man-year) from garden expulsion. This adjustment would tend to place the Second Coming "in or around" the year 2527, effectively removing our witnessing the event out the equation

Satan must be imprisoned for a literal 1000 years. Yes, God does consider this 1000 years as a day, a "day" of His rest, a day without Satan.

Would you agree with me, that the Millennium in which Christ rules with His saints, represents the "Millennium-Sabbath" ? It would appear we're one in Spirit on this account.

Oh, and in 5 days, I will be 16,801 days old. On the Gregorian calendar, that's 46 years old, but with the Biblical calculation, it's only 44. (You see why I prefer the ancient calendar..... )

I'm anxious to start a study concerning the Jubilee as a central theme in our Eschatology research. Would you be willing to help with this??? It's a difficult process to integrate sweeping new features in this business of foretelling the Second Coming(never to pinpoint of course), for me at least

God, forgive and be with us all...

 

[rdcast]

Quite simply Jesus calls us to prepare ourselves and be watchful for his second coming but Christ return will come at a time no can predict. We should likewise should treat everyone with suspicion who would claim to know the hour and day of Christ return.

Amen my brother, we all should agree 100% with you on this observance. Who should wish to become a "false prophet"? Not me

btw, I'm temporarily changing my avatar.