When Will Christ Return?

[HisdaughterJen]

There are a couple of places that I am aware of that demonstrate that Jesus would return in 2000 years which is 2 days on God's calendar.

Perhaps the Magi, while being aware of the Mazzaroth which God placed in the heavens, were also aware of the Scriptures that foretold Christ's coming. If they studied and observed and relied on God, they would certainly have known the general timeframe of Jesus' birth.

In the same way, we have a number of Scriptures that give us the time period in which Christ will return.

Hsa 6:2After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presence. (Israel was speaking there)


Mic 5:3Therefore Israel will be abandoned until the time when she who is in labor gives birth and the rest of his brothers return to join the Israelites.

Exd 19:10And the Lord said to Moses, "Go to the people and consecrate them today and tomorrow. Have them wash their clothes
Exd 19:11and be ready by the third day, because on that day the Lord will come down on Mount Sinai in the sight of all the people.

(That "washing of clothes" (for two days) is also found in Rev 7 where the church washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb - so far, we have been able to do that for roughly 1,983 years)


Luk 10:35On the next day, when he departed, he took out two denarii, and gave them to the host, and said to him, 'Take care of him. Whatever you spend beyond that, I will repay you when I return.' (The good samaritan parable is the story of Christ's salvation for the world. In the parable, he gave the innkeeper (symbolic of the church) two days wages and then expected to return)

There are other scriptures that tell when you understand God's 7000 year plan, millenial day of rest, etc. Since God's mazzaroth has been taken and twisted and used in the occult, I have not studied it.

Every day is one day closer. We don't know exactly how long it's been since the birth or death of Christ - everyone has a different count but sometime in the next 0-20 years, the world will be a very different place.

 

[Super Kal]

My visions are not from satan and if they are against the bible, please show me.

i never said your visions were fake... i just said even Satan can give a person visions and dreams... look what happened to Joseph Smith...

So nothing is hidden from those that watch and pray?

watch, pray, meditate on His word daily, continually seek Him out every day... basically doing what the Bible tells us to do, and yes, Jesus has told us everything we need to know... it's all in the Bible.

Where then did jesus go between the ages of 12 to 33?

is that necessary to believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God, died on a cross and rose again, so that if you repent and have faith that He saved you, iyou will live eternally?... no.

Who is the a/c?

the Bible says the man of sin will be revealed to the world (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4)... until then, all we can do is speculate

why do all those that watch and pray fall for the a/c, if they know the truth?

those who watch and pray, and live holy lives as God intends them will not fall... they will not be deceived by Antichrist, because they have the truth hidden within their hearts and have the seal of God on their forehead

Is it wrong that I dont follow anyone that says this is the way that it is, beleive, beleive, beleive?

no, but if it doesn't line up with scripture, then you have a problem

Are christions only allowed visions?

simply put, yes. You may not like that, but thats the way it is. it is the Holy Spirit that gives dreams and visions, and helps the sons and daughters of Yahweh to receive wisdom, insight, guidance, and direction to grow closer to Jesus Christ, and have a more personal relationship with Yahweh Almighty.
Now does that mean Satan cannot give them visions?... no. Satan still can... however, when it comes to a vision or a dream will ALWAYS test it with scripture first. It is the scripture that stands the test of time and it will never be wrong.

Thanks

David

you're welcome

 

[rdcast]

Super Kal:
Please understand, these issues concerning David69 are unrelated to this thread. It would be appreciated, at least by me, if you'd pursue them elsewhere.

 

[rdcast]

HisdaughterJen:

There are a couple of places that I am aware of that demonstrate that Jesus would return in 2000 years which is 2 days on God's calendar.

Perhaps the Magi, while being aware of the Mazzaroth which God placed in the heavens, were also aware of the Scriptures that foretold Christ's coming. If they studied and observed and relied on God, they would certainly have known the general timeframe of Jesus' birth.

In the same way, we have a number of Scriptures that give us the time period in which Christ will return.

Hsa 6:2After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presence. (Israel was speaking there)


Mic 5:3Therefore Israel will be abandoned until the time when she who is in labor gives birth and the rest of his brothers return to join the Israelites.

Exd 19:10And the Lord said to Moses, "Go to the people and consecrate them today and tomorrow. Have them wash their clothes
Exd 19:11and be ready by the third day, because on that day the Lord will come down on Mount Sinai in the sight of all the people.

(That "washing of clothes" (for two days) is also found in Rev 7 where the church washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb - so far, we have been able to do that for roughly 1,983 years)


Luk 10:35On the next day, when he departed, he took out two denarii, and gave them to the host, and said to him, 'Take care of him. Whatever you spend beyond that, I will repay you when I return.' (The good samaritan parable is the story of Christ's salvation for the world. In the parable, he gave the innkeeper (symbolic of the church) two days wages and then expected to return)

There are other scriptures that tell when you understand God's 7000 year plan, millenial day of rest, etc. Since God's mazzaroth has been taken and twisted and used in the occult, I have not studied it.

Every day is one day closer. We don't know exactly how long it's been since the birth or death of Christ - everyone has a different count but sometime in the next 0-20 years, the world will be a very different place.

So you don't find it absurd to consider a functional link between the Magi and modern day Eschatologists? The effectiveness from either, is determined by the outcome, and neither are prophets, tho both rely on the study of prophecy and of signs.

I'll be away till midnight tonight, and will study in detail, the particulars of your post at that time, or in the morning hours. I'm beginning to see a relevance in this connection(hopefully, not out of vanity). This is the first discussion of this view I've seen. If there's any validity to it, how exciting would that be?

Oh yea, would you consider starting a separate thread specifically for this? It would be great for me to come home to find and already thriving discussion considering this thought.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

HisdaughterJen:

So you don't find it absurd to consider a functional link between the Magi and modern day Eschatologists? The effectiveness from either, is determined by the outcome, and neither are prophets, tho both rely on the study of prophecy and of signs.

I'll be away till midnight tonight, and will study in detail, the particulars of your post at that time, or in the morning hours. I'm beginning to see a relevance in this connection(hopefully, not out of vanity). This is the first discussion of this view I've seen. If there's any validity to it, how exciting would that be?

Oh yea, would you consider starting a separate thread specifically for this? It would be great for me to come home to find and already thriving discussion considering this thought.

I haven't read through this thread completely because of the argument that came up but yes, I would consider the magi something like modern-day eschatologists!

 

[rdcast]

HisdaughterJen

I haven't read through this thread completely because of the argument that came up but yes, I would consider the magi something like modern-day eschatologists!

I'm sorry for that.

 

[Thankful For Grace]

Brothers and Sisters,

Please get back to the Word of God. A sure foundation in the revealed Word, the Bible, is all that is going to enable us to endure and overcome in the days that are coming upon us.

Study what God has already told us is the Truth, and the Truth is all that will hold us steadfast.

Read the Word; be constant in season and out of season--Trust Jesus in and through all things.

This, and this, alone, is our one and only hope.

tfg

 

[Gareth]

Back in 1844, some thought the return of Christ was imminent. They were known as the Millerites. After 1845 came what was known as the Great Disappointment. In other words Christ failed to appear. Just how did they work out when it was going to happen? They used Bible Chronology to arrive at the date. Using the Bible to pinpoint key events is nothing new. The Jews understood that Messiah would arrive around a certain time which is why John the Baptist was asked if he was the Messiah. The Jews were in expectation, yet they did not know fully every little detail.

So it is true now. We are in expectation, yet we don't know every little detail. Some details may prove to be retrospective, things starting off but we don't realise until later and as those events affect us.

Jesus actually comes three times. The first is to set up his Kingdom. We've all prayed for his Kingdom to come yet where is it set up first? The second time is when he inspects and purifies the ones whom have been chosen as his true followers on earth to do his bidding. Christ is after all the head of the Christian congregation, is he not? So those who are in this position have to be as blameless as they can be to uphold not only the standards of the Christ but also the standards of the Father. The third time is when his Father allows the Son and his angels to bring to nothing Satan's system or in other words, Armageddon. The writing will be clearly on the wall as to who has the right to rule well before this time. When things start off at this time all Christians will be ready to receive their reward.

 

[zeke37]

Jesus does not come three times....

we look for His appearance, a second time, not a third

 

[B1inHim]

Jesus does not come three times....

we look for His appearance, a second time, not a third

1 Thes. 4:16-18 (KJV)
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. [18] Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Rev. 14:14-16 (KJV)
And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. [15] And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. [16] And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

That's ONE

Rev. 19:11-16 (KJV)
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. [12] His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. [13] And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. [14] And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. [15] And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. [16] And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.


That's TWO

And He came here one time before when it all began, not to mention the times He showed up in the OT

That's Three

His servant

 

[rdcast]

B1inHim

1 Thes. 4:16-18 (KJV)
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. [18] Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Rev. 14:14-16 (KJV)
And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. [15] And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. [16] And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

That's ONE

Indeed, these are one, where you misunderstand is that once Jesus Christ returns in this manner, He never leaves: "shall we ever be with the Lord". So you see, once He arrives the second time, Jesus Christ doesn't leave as He did the first time:JN 13:36 Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards. This clearly indicates that Jesus Christ had to be removed from us in order to return the second time. It is the one and only time Jesus will separate from His faithful. Please don't argue that His first departure was into death, then came again after resurrecting, showing Himself to His disciples, then departed again into heaven. Once He's crucified, Jesus Christ is separated form earth, a quick touching of his feet doesn't argue against this scriptural fact. It's plain He wont touch earth again after His Crucifixion, until His Second Coming, when He will never again leave us.
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Rev. 19:11-16 (KJV)
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. [12] His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. [13] And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. [14] And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. [15] And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. [16] And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

That's TWO

Where the Holy Word of God describes different aspects of the same event separately, there is only ONE Second Coming:

Luke 21:25-28 (KJV)
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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And He came here one time before when it all began, not to mention the times He showed up in the OT

That's Three

Sorry for you confusion in this matter, it needn't be.
---

His servant

 

[Jazer]

Incidentally, there is an asteroid set to come very close to the earth in 2027 (from The Continuing Story Of Asteroid 1999[wash my mouth]AN10):

The Apophis asteroid will be on April 13, 2029. I believe this does mark the 2000 year aniversity of the church. Or 6000 years from Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.

"On April 13, 2029, asteroid 2004 MN4 will fly past Earth only 18,600 miles (30,000 km) above the ground. For comparison, geosynchronous satellites orbit at 22,300 miles (36,000 km). "At closest approach, the asteroid will shine like a 3rd magnitude star, visible to the unaided eye from Africa, Europe and Asia--even through city lights," says Jon Giorgini of JPL. This is rare. "Close approaches by objects as large as 2004 MN4 are currently thought to occur at 1000-year intervals, on average."

Friday the 13th, 2029 - NASA Science

Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third [day] I shall be perfected. luke 13:32

It is interesting to study the scriptures that talk about the third day.

 

[zeke37]

calling Acts.........another prophesy

got to wait a while for this one though!

 

[zeke37]

1 Thes. 4:16-18 (KJV)
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. [18] Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Rev. 14:14-16 (KJV)
And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. [15] And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. [16] And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

That's ONE

Rev. 19:11-16 (KJV)
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. [12] His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. [13] And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. [14] And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. [15] And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. [16] And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.


That's TWO

And He came here one time before when it all began, not to mention the times He showed up in the OT

That's Three

His servant

same coming.....(besides Melkizekec(sp) that is!)
there is no pre or mid trib rapture

 

[Super Kal]

remember zeke, he is neither pre nor mid... he is pre-wrath

 

[zeke37]

I'm pre wrath too.....post trib of course

since the wrath is poured out in Rev16 after the trib, and the gathered are with Christ before that....

 

[rdcast]

Achilles6129

That's the exact reason I think it won't be until the 2030s. I just don't see a global government getting set up this decade.

I think that the tribulation might start at around 2027 (80 years since Israel became a nation - see Psalm 90). That would mean that the great tribulation would end 3.5 years later, which would be almost exactly 2000 years since Christ left.

Incidentally, there is an asteroid set to come very close to the earth in 2027 (from The Continuing Story Of Asteroid 1999[wash my mouth]AN10):

" The new data allow a considerably improved orbit to be calculated for this potentially hazardous object, and the revised predictions indicate that this kilometer-size asteroid could pass particularly close to the Earth on August 7, 2027. The passage in 2027 could be as close as 37,000 km from the Earth's center (just 19,000 miles above the Earth's surface), but no closer. The miss distance is still very uncertain, and the asteroid could easily pass well outside the Moon's orbit. The probability of a collision in 2027 is essentially zero."

Magi Today<<< In "Magi Today", I take a purely mathematical approach, but the 70 or 80 year generation as described in Psalms 90:10 is admittedly a marvelous addition.
PS 90:10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

The 1947 UN Resolution to partition the Israeli Territory as fulfilled prophecy(United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine), we come to the year 2027 exactly, by adding the 80 year generation. 1947+80=2027.

This would begin the Great Tribulation, seven years earlier, in or around the year 2020.

On the subject of the 2027 arrival of asteroid AN10,

I don't know of any prophecy foretelling such a thing. A subject no one seems to discuss, is the opportunity that AN10 might collide with our moon. The 19,000 miles AN10 is calculated as a possible distance from earth, is within the orbit of our moon, being 252,722 miles from earth.

http://i.space.com/images/hf_scitues_asteroidscare_01.jpg
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[Achilles6129]

Back in 1844, some thought the return of Christ was imminent. They were known as the Millerites. After 1845 came what was known as the Great Disappointment. In other words Christ failed to appear. Just how did they work out when it was going to happen? They used Bible Chronology to arrive at the date. Using the Bible to pinpoint key events is nothing new. The Jews understood that Messiah would arrive around a certain time which is why John the Baptist was asked if he was the Messiah. The Jews were in expectation, yet they did not know fully every little detail.

Well, these "Millerites" were pretty closeminded, then. Back in 1844 there were not very many signs that Christ was about to appear. For instance:

- no one world government
- no nation of Israel
- no antichrist
- no technology available to force everyone to receive the mark of the beast (you need globalization to achieve such a thing)
- no instant communication (which is needed in order to fulfill certain parts of the book of Revelation)

And on and on.

Today we have instant communication (needed to fulfill Rev. 11 where the entire world knows of the two witnesses' death instantly), the ability to force everyone to receive the mark of the beast, the nation Israel, and the ability to bring about a world government (United Nations). We need to look for three things before the return of Christ:

1. a one world government
2. the antichrist (he will appear shortly after the one world government is put in place)
3. a rebuilt Jewish temple

 

[zeke37]

Well, these "Millerites" were pretty closeminded, then. Back in 1844 there were not very many signs that Christ was about to appear. For instance:

- no one world government
- no nation of Israel
- no antichrist
- no technology available to force everyone to receive the mark of the beast (you need globalization to achieve such a thing)
- no instant communication (which is needed in order to fulfill certain parts of the book of Revelation)

And on and on.

Today we have instant communication (needed to fulfill Rev. 11 where the entire world knows of the two witnesses' death instantly), the ability to force everyone to receive the mark of the beast, the nation Israel, and the ability to bring about a world government (United Nations). We need to look for three things before the return of Christ:

1. a one world government
2. the antichrist (he will appear shortly after the one world government is put in place)
3. a rebuilt Jewish temple

there is no need for a rebuilt Jewish temple to fulfill scripture


where is the temple of God today?
that is where Satan will sit>>>

 

[rdcast]

Achilles6129

- no one world government
The idea of a one world government doesn't exist in prophecy. And if we consider where it mentions similar global power, by the time it even gets close to existing, it will be over. So we can't use that as a sign, but as the end.

- no antichrist
We don't have the Antichrist either, and you can't assure we will, in our life time.

- no technology available to force everyone to receive the mark of the beast (you need globalization to achieve such a thing)
Technology isn't prophetic.

- no instant communication (which is needed in order to fulfill certain parts of the book of Revelation)
This can only be assumed, much like technology being prophetic.

And on and on.
Perhaps you have something more firm in your "on and on"