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When Will Christ Return?

What year range do you believe Jesus Christ will return in?

  • 2010 - 2020

  • 2020 - 2030

  • 2030 - 2040

  • Beyond 2040

  • I don't know


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well, there is a flood in Rev, and it is not literal
during that flood, there will be a famine....

The flood is not literal, sure, but the entirety of Revelation 12 is symbolic from the very beginning, and meant to be so. However, there are other parts of Revelation where the plagues must be literal, or else it negates the purpose of the plague:

"5And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus. 6For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy." Rev. 16:5-6

The irony here is that they have killed the followers of God and now they're given blood to drink. If this plague is not literal, then the plague is purposeless - those who have killed the saints never receive blood to drink. In addition, we have Christ's remarks back in Luke 21, Mt. 24, Mk. 13, etc., which show that many of the plagues in the book of Revelation (at least) must be literal.


"the days come" is a reference to the days leading up to The Day.
the bald heads will not be literal...it means something
being decked out in sackcloth means something
feasts into mournings means something
as does songs into lamentations

it is about as un-literal as it could be.

That's all well and good, but this still doesn't apply to the book of Revelation or the plagues in the book of Revelation in any way. Also, "bald heads" and "sackcloth" and "feasts into mournings", etc., are all descriptions of sorrow. So, in a sense, it is actually literal. The symbols mean that sorrow is ahead.
 
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Doesn't the bible tell us that no one knows the day or the hour of His return but that we should always be ready for Jesus second coming?

While no one knows the day or hour, one can certainly know the time frame. Paul says:

" 4But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober." 1 Th. 5:4-6

Certain prophecies have to be fulfilled before Jesus Christ can return. For example, we must have a global world government (see Rev. 13), the mark of the beast, the image of the beast, etc. Damascus must be destroyed:

"1The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap." Isa. 17:1

So although we should always be watching (as Christ commanded; Mk. 13:37) we know that certain things still have to be fulfilled, so that the signs are not yet all there.
 
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A few more thoughts on the Second Coming that I had (I'm fascinated with this topic, and at school right now with a little spare time). Christ clearly says he delays his coming, and I believe the reason is obvious: he's giving everyone a chance to be saved (see the 2 Pet. 3 verses, Jas. 5, etc.). Obviously, one of the major signs we need is a world government (we need this before the antichrist according to Daniel 7). Of course, we also need the antichrist.

I've already talked about all of these signs in previous posts. However, I think there is one warning Jesus Christ gives which goes mostly unnoticed:

"8And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them." Lu. 21:8

It is really important how we read this verse. In my estimation, there are two ways to read it:

1) Jesus Christ is saying that those who deceive many by claiming that he (Jesus Christ) is the Christ will herald the beginning of the end

2) Christ is warning against those who claim the end is nigh

I think that option 2 is the best interpretation of this verse. Jesus Christ is saying that many will claim that the time of his coming is drawing near, the implication being that the time of his coming is not near. We have been seeing this for quite some time. This is important because of two statements that Christ makes:

"44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh." Mt. 24:44

Christ tells his disciples (who represent all real Christians) that he will come in an hour when they "think not." Now, I find that to be an incredibly interesting statement. Think is #1380, dokeo, and means (Thayer's Lexicon)
1) to be of opinion, think, suppose
2) to seem, to be accounted, reputed
3) it seems to me
a) I think, judge: thus in question
b) it seems good to, pleased me, I determined

So, according to Jesus Christ, he will come in an hour when we do not think he will come. Most interesting.

There's also another statement made by Christ that I think has some bearing on his return:

"22And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. 23And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them. 24For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day." Lu. 17:22-24

This verse is very interesting as well, because Christ seems to be telling his disciples (real Christians) that they will desire his coming but they will not see it. See:

"26And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man." Lu. 17:26

Therefore, the term "days" of the Son of Man used in Luke 17:22-24 means the return of Jesus Christ. I think that Christ was referring to the events of 2 Tim. 3, and that we would desire his return but it would not happen (because he tarries/delays due to waiting for that last soul to be saved).

Anyways, those are just some thoughts that really sum up my reasons for believing that the Second Coming of Jesus Christ happens in the 2030s. I truly wish that it would happen earlier, but I just cannot see it happening without the world government forming (see Rev. 13).

Anyways, I think we should keep this thread going until Christ really does return
 
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sounds great to me. That should not take long!

Ah yes, I see you voted for 2010-2020. I like to make my votes public Anyways, I truly hope that Christ returns very shortly, but I just do not think that it will happen. See my previous posts.
 
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Ah yes, I see you voted for 2010-2020. I like to make my votes public Anyways, I truly hope that Christ returns very shortly, but I just do not think that it will happen. See my previous posts.

Thats OK. if you are born again you are my brother and will go with us in the catching away!
 
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Thats OK. if you are born again you are my brother and will go with us in the catching away!

If you are referring to the rapture I'm afraid that is a fantasy. However, I do think that the church of Philadelphia is saved from the "hour of tribulation." But I actually think the way God might save them is by letting them die (maybe in their sleep?). There is actually precedent for this. Methusaleh died in the Flood year, but I'm betting that he died before the Flood happened of natural causes. Here's a verse:

"1The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come." Isa. 57:1

Remember that the church of Philadelphia is a small church:

"8I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name." Rev. 3:8

The fact that Christ refers to them as having a "little strength" means that they must be a small church; i.e., few people. I think God allows them to die (maybe in their sleep) and that is how they're taken away from the wrath to come.

"10Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth." Rev. 3:10
 
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The only ones that will still have cpus and electric to power them, internet accessibility to log on will already think a christ is here. Most everyone here on CF will either be dead, imprisoned, or in the wilderness, since I can't see many here being deceived into believing the coming technological eden, and the antichrist as being the Kingdom of God on earth, and our King Jesus.
 
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Do not fear that the catching away of the church is a fantasy - believe in Jesus! It is a reality!

Jhn 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Jhn 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?


1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


1Cr 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Cr 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
 
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The verses that you quote are talking about the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, not the rapture. I would suggest that the "last trump" is the 7th trumpet of Revelation.
 
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The verses that you quote are talking about the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, not the rapture. I would suggest that the "last trump" is the 7th trumpet of Revelation.

No, the last trumpet (jubilee) is not the 7th trumpet of Revelation.

Yes, it is talking about the 2nd coming of Christ and it is most definitely talking about the catching away of the church at that time.
 
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How come I get a feeling that the high number of votes for 2010-2020 is because of the "2012" mumbo jumbo...lol

Indeed But of course it's impossible that the world would end in 2012 - we have to have at least a 3.5 year tribulation (see Rev. 13), etc.

No, the last trumpet (jubilee) is not the 7th trumpet of Revelation.

Yes, it is.

Yes, it is talking about the 2nd coming of Christ and it is most definitely talking about the catching away of the church at that time.

It's talking about the Second Coming of Christ where he destroys the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies. Here's where Christ references this:

"36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh." Mt. 24:36-44

These verses are talking about when Christ comes to destroy the beast in Armageddon, hence the references to "thief" (see Rev. 16, 2 Pet. 3, etc.) and also the references back to the destruction of the world in Noah's Flood.
 
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I have been looking at some new things which I would like to add to this thread, rather than start a whole new thread and clutter up the board even further.

I strongly suspect that God waits until literally almost the entire human race has rebelled against his gospel (i.e., no one is obeying the real gospel of Jesus Christ anymore) before he begins destroying the world (in other words, before the plagues of Revelation begin in earnest). Here's why:

"22And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD. 23And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked? 24Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein? 25That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?" Gen. 18:22-25

I think that this conversation is quite telling. Abraham knows that God will not destroy Sodom if there are righteous individuals within the city. Abraham continues asking God if he will destroy Sodom and learns that God will not destroy Sodom if he finds so many as ten righteous within the city. It turns out that God finds only one righteous within the city.

In the same way, God will not destroy this world if there are a certain number of righteous individuals (people who obey the real salvation gospel of Jesus Christ) in it. This leads me to strongly suspect that virtually the entire human race has rejected the gospel of Jesus Christ before the plagues of Revelation begin in earnest. Consider the following verses:

"13Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men." Mt. 5:13

Salt is a preservative. When Jesus Christ says that his disciples are the salt of the earth, what he is really saying is that his disciples are the reason the world is still around and allowed to exist. When there are no disciples left, the world is destroyed.

In addition, we have the 144,000 in the book of Revelation. This is an extremely small number compared to the entire human race (now about 7 billion). Scripture seems to indicate that these 144,000 are the only ones who make it through the great tribulation as servants of God (they are the elect Christ talked about in Mt. 24, for whom the days are shortened).

To summarize and add a few more key points:

1) The last days are compared to both the days of Noah and the days of Lot because people did not know the end was upon them. However, it is worth noting that in the days of Noah and the days of Lot the entire world (or city) was corrupt. There was only one righteous man.

2) God will not destroy the righteous with the wicked (see Sodom). Therefore, when God destroys the earth there must be no (or very few) righteous left remaining, and they will be protected by God (see Mt. 24 - the shortening of the days, and Rev. 12).

3) Christ compares his disciples to salt, which is a preservative. This seems to indicate that when Christ's disciples are gone (i.e., the entire world is corrupt) the end will begin.

4) Both Paul and Jesus Christ speak of a great increase in wickedness in the last days (see 2 Tim. 3, see Mt. 24:12) which I believe we are and have been seeing for the past 7 or 8 decades. Obviously, this increase in wickedness would be due to people rejecting the gospel.

Therefore, I have no choice but to conclude that before the end virtually the entire human race will have rejected the real gospel of Jesus Christ.
 
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I believe it all comes down to the interpretation of the fig tree parable. If its is Israel then it's a matter of how long a generation is. 70-80 years? It obviously can't be 40 or 50-60.. Alot of people belive it might be 70 and with the knowledge we all have on how fond our lord is with the the number 7 I feel that I could very well be true. When the Gregorian calendar was adopted whether its off by chirst's birth 3-6 years or 40 it doesn't make a bit of difference or how old the earth really is. The only date that matters is when Israel became a nation, 1948.
I admit that things are very much starting to shape up for it.If a nuke destroys NYC(new babylon) in a couple months we will know for sure.
 
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Israel will be restored by the time the revived nation is 70.

Israel lost the land, city, sanctuary (relationship to God) in 70AD, about 70 years after the birth of Christ.

Prophecy states Israel will be revived after two days, restored on the third. (Hosea 6)

Israel got her land back in 1948.
Israel got Jerusalem back in 1967.
Israel will be fully restored to God by 2018, sooner if you account for the "cutting short" of the tribulation.


God allows a thing to languish on for 70 years, and then He moves.

Examples:

Isa 23:17At the end of seventy years, the LORD will deal with Tyre. She will return to her hire as a prostitute and will ply her trade with all the kingdoms on the face of the earth.

Jer 25:12"But when the seventy years are fulfilled, I will punish the king of Babylon and his nation, the land of the Babylonians, for their guilt," declares the LORD, "and will make it desolate forever.

Jer 29:10This is what the LORD says: "When seventy years are completed for Babylon, I will come to you and fulfill my gracious promise to bring you back to this place.

Given that the restoration is complete when Christ comes, things have got to turn ugly very, very soon.

What is happening in the middle east right now is the beginning of it. The muslim nations are banding together, changing the governments of Islamic nations under one unified banner (hate Israel, establish Islamic kingdom, subject the world) which will lead to a massive invasion of Israel that God will step in and stop.
 
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If a nuke destroys NYC(new babylon) in a couple months we will know for sure.
Babylon is not a literal city....it is symbolic...

some think it is Rome or Jerusalem, but it is not a literal city

it is certainly not NY
 
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Israel got her land back in 1948.
Israel got Jerusalem back in 1967.
Israel will be fully restored to God by 2018, sooner if you account for the "cutting short" of the tribulation.


The tribes of Judah (jews) , Benjamin and Levi got an amount of land back in 1948 as they also got Jerusalem back in 1967.

But "ISRAEL" did nothing of the sort in these years, because Israel is 12 tribes and 10 of those tribes are lost to the world in general.

This is akin to say the United States Got all her land back , then reformed as a nation but let's just drop two thirds of all the states that made up the USA.

God will gather and redeem ALL of Israel as does many prophecies give witness to the fact...........but

as to your "prophecy" how is it that you know the exact year when not even the Son of God nor the angels know when the Father will perform these great works.

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