WHEN WAS SIN IMPUTED ?

[Dan Perez]

Rom 5:13 reads , For until ( THE ) Law , sin was in ( THE ) world , but SIN is not being IMPUTED ( THERE ) NOT being LAW >

Then verse 14 says , But death reigned from Adam until Moses .

#1 Then how was ADAM saved if there is no IMPUTED SIN ?

#2 If there is no IMPUTED SIN , how will those that died from Adam to Moses be JUDGED ?

#3 Who is the PATTERN that Adam is OF the coming ONE ??

#4 How does ATONEMENT FIT IN ?

#5 If ATONEMENT began in Genesis 3 , where does ATONEMENT then END ?

#6 How will they be JUDGED when there are no LAWS /

dan p

 

[HTacianas]

Rom 5:13 reads , For until ( THE ) Law , sin was in ( THE ) world , but SIN is not being IMPUTED ( THERE ) NOT being LAW >

Then verse 14 says , But death reigned from Adam until Moses .

#1 Then how was ADAM saved if there is no IMPUTED SIN ?

#2 If there is no IMPUTED SIN , how will those that died from Adam to Moses be JUDGED ?

#3 Who nis the PATTERN that Adam is coming ?

#4 How does ATONEMENT FIT IN ?

dan p

The sin of Adam was eating the fruit of the forbidden tree. Eating it was prohibited. That was the law. Over time the law was expanded. Acts existed before law, but those acts were not prohibited until the law came.

 

[d taylor]

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There was always Adam's inherited sin that condemned a person. The sins that were not imputed were everyday sins that people commit: lying, etc...

 

[Dan Perez]

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There was always Adam's inherited sin that condemned a person. The sins that were not imputed were everyday sins that people commit: lying, etc...

I noticed that the time period , from Adam to Moses , that man lived to , over 900 years ?

dan p

 

[d taylor]

I noticed that the time period , from Adam to Moses , that man lived to , over 900 years ?

dan p

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Well after the flood God began to reduce man's age he lived to.

 

[Dan Perez]

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Well after the flood God began to reduce man's age he lived to.

One pastor , made this comment , that one reason for their long life was for the writing and there history that they left behind and we would know all about them >

dan p

 

[d taylor]

One pastor , made this comment , that one reason for their long life was for the writing and there history that they left behind and we would know all about them >

dan p

There may be some accurate information to that. the Bible just does not really state the reason, so it is something that can not be known for sure (the reason). Some things right now just can not be answered

 

[Dan Perez]

The sin of Adam was eating the fruit of the forbidden tree. Eating it was prohibited. That was the law. Over time the law was expanded. Acts existed before law, but those acts were not prohibited until the law came.

Judges 17:6 says , In those days there was no King in Israel , but every man did that which was RIGHT in his own eyes .

dan p

 

[Dan Perez]

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There was always Adam's inherited sin that condemned a person. The sins that were not imputed were everyday sins that people commit: lying, etc...

Why Adam and Eve in Gen 3:21 given ATONEMENT ?

We also see that Adam and Eve walked by SIGHT and not be FAITH as they talked with Christ ,''

dan p

 

[Dan Perez]

There may be some accurate information to that. the Bible just does not really state the reason, so it is something that can not be known for sure (the reason). Some things right now just can not be answered

There may be some accurate information to that. the Bible just does not really state the reason, so it is something that can not be known for sure (the reason). Some things right now just can not be answered

One answer as to why Adam and Eve were CLOTHED by Christ , because Adam was the first man that experienced ATONEMONT and Christ is a PATTERN of the coming one , Rom 5:14 and Israel was given the practiced ATONEMENT until the cross and Heb 9:15 says why !!

dan p

 

[Dan Perez]

As far how those people between Adam and Moses and I believe that Rom 2:14 gives the answer .

For whenever Gentiles having no Law , may do by nature the things of the n Law , these having no Law are a law to themselves.

dan p

 

[Clare73]

Rom 5:13 reads , For until ( THE ) Law , sin was in ( THE ) world , but SIN is not being IMPUTED ( THERE ) NOT being LAW >

Then verse 14 says , But death reigned from Adam until Moses .

#1 Then how was ADAM saved if there is no IMPUTED SIN ?

"Imputed sin" is sin of another ascribed, assigned, reckoned to you.
Adam was not saved by imputed sin.
Adam was saved from his own personal sin by belief in the promise of seed, Jesus Christ (Ge 3:15).

We are saved from Adam's sin imputed to us (Ro 5:12-15, Ro 5:18).

#2 If there is no IMPUTED SIN , how will those that died from Adam to Moses be JUDGED ?
#6 How will they be JUDGED when there are no LAWS /

Those who do not have the law will be judged according to their conscience (Ro 2:14-16).

#3 Who is the PATTERN that Adam is OF the coming ONE ??

The imputation of Adam's sin to all those born of (the first) Adam is the PATTERN (Ro 5:14) OF
the imputation of Christ's righteousness by faith to all those born of (the second Adam) Christ (Ro 4:1-11, Ro 5:19),
just as God imputed righteousness to Abraham by faith (Ge 3:16, Ro 3:4).

#4 How does ATONEMENT FIT IN ?

Atonement is Jesus' sacrifice for sin which pays the ransom (Mt 20:28) to redeem, buy back, free us from God's condemnation (Ro 5:18) and wrath (Ro 5:9, Eph 2:3) at the Final Judgment.

#5 If ATONEMENT began in Genesis 3 , where does ATONEMENT then END ?

Atonement itself didn't begin in Ge 3:15, it was promised in Ge 3:15.
The act of atonement (ransom paid) ends at Jesus' resurrection, the proof of its effectiveness.

 

[Dan Perez]

"Imputed sin" is sin of another ascribed, assigned, reckoned to you.
Adam was not saved by imputed sin.
Adam was saved from his own personal sin by belief in the promise of seed, Jesus Christ (Ge 3:15).

We are saved from Adam's sin imputed to us (Ro 5:12-15, Ro 5:18).



Those who do not have the law will be judged according to their conscience (Ro 2:14-16).



The imputation of Adam's sin to all those born of (the first) Adam is the PATTERN (Ro 5:14) OF
the imputation of Christ's righteousness by faith to all those born of (the second Adam) Christ (Ro 4:1-11, Ro 5:19),
just as God imputed righteousness to Abraham by faith (Ge 3:16, Ro 3:4).



Atonement is Jesus' sacrifice for sin which pays the ransom (Mt 20:28) to redeem, buy back, free us from God's condemnation (Ro 5:18) and wrath (Ro 5:9, Eph 2:3) at the Final Judgment.



Atonement itself didn't begin in Ge 3:15, it was promised in Ge 3:15.
The act of atonement (ransom paid) ends at Jesus' resurrection, the proof of its effectiveness.

I believe that ATONEMENT began AT Gen 3:21 .

Where do you say it began ?

I believe that Adam and Eve were saved ?

You agree or DISAGREE ?

I also believe that ATONEMENT were paid and Heb 9:15 and that ended the OLD COVENENT !!

dan p

 

[Clare73]

I believe that ATONEMENT began AT Gen 3:21 .

Where do you say it began ?

I can think of no reason why it could not have been applied in anticipation of Christ's death, as it was to the OT saints (Ro 3:25).

I believe that Adam and Eve were saved ?

You agree or DISAGREE ?

I also suspect they were saved.

I also believe that ATONEMENT were paid and Heb 9:15 and that ended the OLD COVENENT !!

I agree that the Old Covenant is ended (Heb 8:13).

 

[Dan Perez]

I can think of no reason why it could not have been applied in anticipation of Christ's death, as it was to the OT saints (Ro 3:25).



I also suspect they were saved.



I agree that the Old Covenant is ended (Heb 8:13).

I read Heb 6:13 and I believe what it said , that , now DECAYETH and WAXETH old is ready to vanish away BUT when reading Heb 9:15 .\, it says that be means of DEATH ( Jesus death on the CROSS ) Christ death is the REDEMPTION of the transgressions that were under the FIRST TESTEMENT .

Then Christ death PAID for all the ATONEMENT, BLOOD SACRIFICES that just COVERED , but now all sins have been paid for .

dan p

 

[Dan Perez]

Rom 5:13 reads , For until ( THE ) Law , sin was in ( THE ) world , but SIN is not being IMPUTED ( THERE ) NOT being LAW >

Then verse 14 says , But death reigned from Adam until Moses .

#1 Then how was ADAM saved if there is no IMPUTED SIN ?

#2 If there is no IMPUTED SIN , how will those that died from Adam to Moses be JUDGED ?

#3 Who is the PATTERN that Adam is OF the coming ONE ??

#4 How does ATONEMENT FIT IN ?

#5 If ATONEMENT began in Genesis 3 , where does ATONEMENT then END ?

#6 How will they be JUDGED when there are no LAWS /

dan p

I believe that those who lived in the time when NO SIN was IMPUTED as written in Rom 5:13 , Rom 2:14 says , For when ever Gentiles having NO LAW , may do by nature the things of the Law , these having no LAW are a LAW to themselves .

dan p

 

[Daniel Marsh]

I believe that those who lived in the time when NO SIN was IMPUTED as written in Rom 5:13 , Rom 2:14 says , For when ever Gentiles having NO LAW , may do by nature the things of the Law , these having no LAW are a LAW to themselves .

dan p

Oh, imputed ignorance. I see Brother, friend Dan

 

[Dan Perez]

Oh, imputed ignorance. I see Brother, friend Dan

I will give you part of what Rom 2:14 really means !

#1 The Greek word THE GENTILES / ETHNOS is in the NOMINATIVE CASE , PLURAL and NEUTER and NEUTER means Male or Female .

#2 Greek word WHICH / HO is a DEFINITE ARTICLE and it is pointing to the Law , is in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in the PLURAL .

#3 HAVE / ECHO , in the PRESENT TENSE , ACTIVE VOICE , PARTICIPLE , NOMINSATIVE CASE , PLURAL , NEUTER .

#4 NOT / ME is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE ,, NEGATIVE means that they have no Law .

#5 THE LAW / NOMOS is in the ACCUSATIVE CASE which means LIMITED to the Law , and is SINULAR .

#6 DO / POIEO is in the PRESENT TENSE , ACTIVE VOICE , SUBJUCATIVE MOOD , and is SINGULAR .

#7 ARE a Law UNTO THEMSELVES / HEAUTOU is a RELEXLIVE PRONOUN , in the DATIVE CASE .

Which means , that when there was NO LAW , that they show the work of the Law WRITTEN in their hearts and they will never escape JUDGMENT at the WHITE THRONE .


dan p