When was Hell created?

[Mikecpking]

'Sheol' is not found in the Bible ... 'Hell' is.

It may surprise you, AV the bible was not written in English.


Sheol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[AV1611VET]

It may surprise you, AV the bible was not written in English.

Okay, Mike.

Happy New Year!

 

[Mikecpking]

Okay, Mike.

Happy New Year!

You too!

 

[seeking Christ]

When was Hell created?

It says in Genesis that God created everything and that it was good. Including the tree of knowledge of good and evil. How could there be knowledge of evil, if God did not create anything that was evil?

It is also said that it was a talking serpent that beguiled Eve into eating of this tree, but as one of God's creations surely the serpent would be good?

In the past I have heard that it was Satan and not the Serpent, but how can this be, because Satan is still in God's company even in the book of Job and had not yet been cast out. It is not until the very end of the Bible that we hear of the fall in revelations.

These are mostly good questions. They all have good answers. Are you really asking questions, or are you more interested in making a point(s)?

 

[seeking Christ]

Technically Hell wasn't "created," it was "prepared."

The reason I differentiate is to distance Hell from the Creation Week.

But to answer your question:

Hell was prepared after the Fall.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Props to ya, sir! Can we get all deep with this, in mixed company with those that can't even see the Kingdom? Because the OP really does inquire into the Kingdom ...

 

[seeking Christ]

How is the casual reader supposed to discern what is metaphorical or allegorical

There was a song in the 80's, I don't wanna be a casual Christian. Applying the concept, we indeed see via Scripture that knowledge is restricted, even while free access is granted to all. Spiritual Life is often likened to a "path," and not all points afford the same vantage point ...

Your response still doesn't really address the question at hand. From what I read there is NO mention of Satan or Lucifer in genesis.

So? God has to play by your rules now? You may have noticed, life is not fair? What could possibly make you conclude that a God who chose to exist in invisible format to us, would reveal everything all at once?

It really isn't a cut and dry question that can be explained away with metaphor and allegory, it requires someone to address the question propery and not assume I have not done any research.

Addressing the questions propery, or properly for some of us, means knowing God personally, for starters. Do you know Him? It's really not so hard. To even see the Kingdom, requires a pure heart. Do you have that? If not, why not?

This is pre-requisite for entering the Kingdom, which is then much easier. (Seems like a much better idea that way, too)

 

[seeking Christ]

You either lived a perfect sinless life, then god would come and destroy your livelihood, home, children and then afflict you with disfiguring diseases to TRY and make you sin

God did not do that, which is one of the greater lessons in the book of Job. Pop quiz: who did?

 

[seeking Christ]

It doesn't mean that he was either AV.

Taking the whole of Scripture into view, it most certainly declares that satan was in the garden before Adam and Eve ever got there. (Or at the very least was there before they left.)

 

[seeking Christ]

That still doesn't address the question of why Satan was still present with Job if Hell already existed.

A MUCH better point!

Job 1:7 "Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."

Ok, Job is taught as a College course, you read the whole book in a day. Some review is in order? Your first mistake is to try to pin satan's location down to a sole location, despite being clearly told that's not how things work.

What does this strange sentence in Job 1:7 mean?
Is satan banished from earth today?
Does he have no access to God's throne today?

These things are debated hotly by Christians to this day. Please don't try to drag me into it I normally see things in 3's. Don't you have 3 eyes too, or are you third eye blind?

 

[seeking Christ]

Wasn't it God the commanded Satan to smite Job - he handed him over and said do what you like to him as long as you spare his life.

Surely you can see in your own words that this is not a "command to smite?"

 

[seeking Christ]

He's not omnipotent but he is metaphysical - right? So why would he need to expend energy, when he is beyond the natural world?

What is spirit, if not energy?

 

[seeking Christ]

"4 And Satan answered the Lord, and said, Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life." I find it amazing how many saints throughout history have proven over and over again how wrong Satan was here.

All for the glory of God!!

Contrast this to Esau ...

 

[Caesars Ghost]

To answer the OP question, Hell was created with the advent of the councils that comprised the new testament. And corrupted the Hebrew Bible and the Old Testament teachings regarding Sheol, into what is regarded today as "Hell" and the Greek, "Hades".

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[AV1611VET]

Props to ya, sir!

Thank you, my friend!

Can we get all deep with this, in mixed company with those that can't even see the Kingdom? Because the OP really does inquire into the Kingdom ...

I don't expect them to fully-believe even simple theology, because the Bible says they reject the Key (Jesus Christ) that unlocks a full understanding.

Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Even simple doctrine has them scratching their heads.

But it's not beyond me to post deep theology where appropriate; if not for any other reason than to inform them that what we believe isn't just superficial.

 

[loktai]

Surely you can see in your own words that this is not a "command to smite?"

And if God had said, don't do a thing to him for he is without sin, would Satan still have done it?

If a junior employee at a company says, do you know what I think hacking someones voicemale would be a great idea to his boss, and his boss said. Sure go right ahead, they can both be held accountable. This is the same principal.

God had the power to stop it, and chose not to. OK it may not be a command in the literal sense I conceed, but he is still responsible.

 

[Tomk80]

And if God had said, don't do a thing to him for he is without sin, would Satan still have done it?

If a junior employee at a company says, do you know what I think hacking someones voicemale would be a great idea to his boss, and his boss said. Sure go right ahead, they can both be held accountable. This is the same principal.

God had the power to stop it, and chose not to. OK it may not be a command in the literal sense I conceed, but he is still responsible.

Furthermore, it is actually God pointing out Job in the first place.

Kind of like:
Boss: "Look at that voicemail. Bet you couldn't hack it."
Junior: "Hmmm, I think I can."
Boss: "Okay, go for it."

 

[seeking Christ]

And if God had said, don't do a thing to him for he is without sin, would Satan still have done it?

But God didn't say Job was without sin. Neither did He say "don't do a thing to him." And if He had, what would satan have done, or not done? All this speculating leaves the book of Job entirely, and does nothing to further any answers to your questions posed.

God had the power to stop it, and chose not to. OK it may not be a command in the literal sense I conceed, but he is still responsible.

Are you condemning God? Surely you can place at least a few relevant quotes about this, from Job?

 

[loktai]

These are mostly good questions. They all have good answers. Are you really asking questions, or are you more interested in making a point(s)?

I don't believe the Bible, so you could say I was making a point, however I was more interested in posing a difficult questions and reading the different responses I got from the various different camps.

I find it funny when people assume that I have never been to church, or even been a Christian when they respond to my questions like it is rhetorical. Unfortunately they are wrong, and I was brought up as a Christian.

 

[seeking Christ]

Furthermore, it is actually God pointing out Job in the first place.

Kind of like:
Boss: "Look at that voicemail. Bet you couldn't hack it."
Junior: "Hmmm, I think I can."
Boss: "Okay, go for it."

A MUCH better paraphrase than what I see so often, that God made a bet with satan. Which He did NOT. (Your word "bet" should be replaced with something that fits better)

 

[seeking Christ]

I don't believe the Bible, so you could say I was making a point

Was your point that you don't believe the Bible, or something else?