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When you say "moral sense". You could say "moral capable"??Thats actually a good way to put it I think. That is your moral sense is the foundation and it is from this we can potentially understand more complex morality. Without this bais we cannot understand more complex morality at all because it would not matter to us.
Morally capable. I don't think babies and toddlers are capable of understanding moral dilemmas like the Trolley problem. But when you think of dilemmas a moral sense is not really about rationalizing 'the moral sense itself' but how to apply that moral sense. The Trolley problem is still dealing with the same moral sense as babies have in that we don't want another human to get hurt or have unjusrt things done to them.When you say "moral sense". You could say "moral capable"??
You basically think a moral programme is already installed in us at birth. Programming.Morally capable. I don't think babies ... ... ... a default response just in case.
What do you mean by programming.You basically think a moral programme is already installed in us at birth. Programming.
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a "moral sense" you're born with.What do you mean by programming.
If the evaluation was done in a way which didn't allow for due process, for example, the employer might be.
I am not actually familiar with all the ins and outs of case law and how decisions have been made.
In the kind of situation you're referring to, where the "lie" is basic workplace courtesy, your employer is probably not responsible.
Right because your side has become the bully. Nuff said.If it was the barbie at my house, you'd be asked to leave. Plain and simple. If you can't show common courtesy to my guest/friend/colleague/relation then you are not welcome.
And if she's in the office and you refuse, and she questions you on it, then your reason would be 'Nah, mate. You were born male so you're still a bloke. You might dress like a woman and wear make-up and be called Mary, but you're still a bloke. That's obvious. And you can wear a frock and grow your hair, but it doesn't change anything. There's nothing you can do about it. There's no such thing as gender, it's just man or woman. You can have bits cut off or bits added but it doesn't change anything. You're actually suffering from a mental illness so I want no part of it and I refuse to use 'she' or 'her' when I refer to you'.
Those are all your opinions as you've stated constantly throughout this thread. Those are the reasons you refuse. So whether you think you should be truthful or whether you might soft peddle the reasons because you think a statement like that might get a response from some of her colleagues that you wouldn't appreciate, those are indeed the reasons.
So you'd be asked to leave. I've never worked anywhere where that attitude wouldn't get you immediately escorted to the door by security. But hey, maybe it's different with whoever you hang out with. Maybe you know people like you who have these attitudes. Maybe those attitudes are acceptable where you come from. I'd stay there if I were you.
Apparently not in Australia.Poor threats. The time has passed and increasingly employers don't want any drama from people who make a big fuss over their pronouns, sexuality, or gender....because quite simply, they aren't as important as people want to make them.
I don't know about Steve but I have worked with LGBT people my entire career. We have gotten along great. They even attended my wedding. That doesn't mean I can't disagree with what's happening in schools and the transgenderism ideology and the LGBTQ ideology that's being pushed upon children and society at large. You do know there are gays that are against it too right?It's internet heresay. It's not the same as actual interacting with LGBT persons from a place of respect. IT's not going the extra mile, it's more like the guy trying to take the speck out of his neighbor's eye.
You do know that it's still in the DSM right,? They changed the name but it's still a disorder. It IS a mental health disorder. Is it demeaning to say some one with PTSD has mental health issues or someone who is bi-polar or someone who is clinically depressed etc. No it's not. This condition IS a mental health issue. Why is it that if you believe you are a tiger and have surgeries to alter your appearance and you try to live like a tiger you would consider that person to have mental health problems. But if a man believes he is a woman and he cuts off his penis and testicles, cuts his penis in half and installs a non functioning fake vagina that he constantly has to dialate because his own body considers it a wound that needs to be closed he has NO mental health problems and is not mentally ill.You've implied they are mentally ill and delusional. That's demeaning.
I don't know about Steve but I have worked with LGBT people my entire career. We have gotten along great. They even attended my wedding. That doesn't mean I can't disagree with what's happening in schools and the transgenderism ideology and the LGBTQ ideology that's being pushed upon children and society at large. You do know there are gays that are against it too right?
I think you know this, but you can be a decent human being and treat others with kindness without agreeing with their ideology. I've done it for going on 36 years now. I've worked with LGBT people my entire career and never had a lick of problems. Not one complaint. My best friend's daughter transitioned into a boy. I went through that with him. We just went on vacation with him and his now son. Got along just fine.believe it just being a decent human being and treating other people with kindness. You seem to be fixated on religious ideology. I don't believe that's decent or good. Good religion shouldn't be about trying to just score some obscure intellectual point.
Well I do know some. And there is a LGBT agenda. And no not all LGBT people agree with it. I'm really tired of providing the list. I've already done that in numerous threads and posts. So not going to do it again. As evidenced by you the agenda is not just pushed by the LGBT community. Their allies push just as hard. You'd by surprised but the LGBT community isn't as monolithic as you think.No gays or lesbians I have known are against trans people. None.
Most LGBT persons I have known are remarkably non-ideological. This whole notion that there is a "gay agenda" or "trans ideology" is at best, a gross exaggeration, and at worst, malicious slander.
This is an example of discrimination. When only one person's anxiety matters and the others does not. How is it you demand one person to be courteous to a fellow employees feelings but not the other. Why is one person's anxiety more important than the others? You have just elevated one person over another. You have just supported discrimination.In the kind of situation you're referring to, where the "lie" is basic workplace courtesy, your employer is probably not responsible
This is an example of discrimination. When only one person's anxiety matters and the others does not. How is it you demand one person to be courteous to a fellow employees feelings but not the other. Why is one person's anxiety more important than the others? You have just elevated one person over another. You have just supported discrimination.
Not to mention pronoun requirements are a part of political correctness.Then why does that particular quote your using say "disapproval of political correctness is a majority view". Thats the only quote I mentioned and its not the title of the article but a quote from within the article. How can that be if you claim it said nothing about political correctness. Here is the first section under the title containing the very quote I used.
Australians say 'political correctness has gone too far' — but it's complicated
More than two-thirds of Australians believe that political correctness has "gone too far" and that their fellow citizens are too easily offended.
This disapproval of political correctness is a majority view across all age groups, according to the nationally-representative Australia Talks National Survey. It is also a majority view for all income brackets, for both men and women, across white and non-white Australians and in all states and territories.
That said, the older you are, the whiter you are, the male-r, the poorer and less educated, the more likely you are to feel strongly about this, the data shows.
Among recent immigrants, for example, frustration is only felt by a slender majority — 53 per cent — while among immigrants who arrived more than 10 years ago, it's the strongest, at 69 per cent. Among people born in this country, 68 per cent agree that political correctness has gone too far.
Has 'PC gone mad'? Australians have made a call
When it comes to questions of political correctness and freedom of speech, it seems our nation is having a bet each way, writes Annabel Crabb.www.abc.net.au
So how would I know that exact quote if it wasn't even in the one you are talking about. You have the wrong survey.
I noticed for me anyway when I go into the link you supplied it doesn't go into anything but a page about the survey itself, how its done, how they determine questions ect. So perhaps something has gone wrong with the link defaulting to its main page about the survey itself. This is the heading I get when I click into the link you said
Australia Talks can help you understand how you compare to other Australians — here's how
Here are the headings
What is Australia Talks?
Who made Australia Talks?
How does Australia Talks determine my results?
How did the ABC decide what questions to ask?
PS I just just checked the link again after I linked it again as as suspected the link after the statement I quoted does not go into any survey results but rather how the survey is structured. You need to refer to the link at the bottom of the section I copied titled Has 'PC gone mad'? Australians have made a call
It is this one I used aned it mentions nothing about pronouns.
So did you ask your friend, referring to his son: 'Is he coming with us?' Or did you stand up for your beliefs and say 'Is she coming with us?'We just went on vacation with him and his now son. Got along just fine.
It used to be assumed that the human mind, at the moment of birth was a tabula rasa or a blank slate. And you needed to input everything needed to obtain output. That viewpoint is gradually disappearing. And there is a greater acceptance that we have a lot of inherited abilities that were developed over evolutionary time.Basically - I'm hearing that you're born with morality "in potential". You subsequently may realise (make real) your potential.
The discussion is about whether the morality is real at birth or in potential at birth, ready for realisation.
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Here's an outline of what due process might look like:Due process? Like my evaluation is done by a jury of my peers and I have a defender?
At the end of the day, employers have an obligation to provide a safe workplace. If behaving in a way which keeps the workplace safe for everyone is so crippling to you, then what do you expect the employer to do? Allow you to behave in a disruptive and damaging way? Or does there come a point where everyone needs to acknowledge that maybe this isn't the right workplace for you?This is an example of discrimination. When only one person's anxiety matters and the others does not. How is it you demand one person to be courteous to a fellow employees feelings but not the other. Why is one person's anxiety more important than the others? You have just elevated one person over another. You have just supported discrimination.
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