When something has been sanctified.

[Pythons]

one would have to define moral, and the directive for man to rest on the 7th day was for man's benefit so he would not work himself to death... it is not a test, a sign of loyalty, the seal of God or all the other things some have attached to it...

I'm with you there. See, we are not that far apart.

 

[Avonia]

That's not what we are talking about. The fact that "every" civilized Nation is guilty of atrocity is irrelevant to the fact that MORAL or NATURAL LAW currently exists and existed within savage tribes and pagan societies such as the pre-Christian Greeks and Romans. The point still stands that a member of a "Tribe" in Ecuador knows instinctively that it's wrong to steal yet does not know "instictively" there is anything different about a Saturday Sabbath. The OP suggests that the Sabbath is a 'moral' command. I'm contending it's not.

Gotcha - thanks for clarifying.

I agree that we have an innate sense of right and wrong - synderesis. Sometimes people act against it for self-interest.

 

[Pythons]

Gotcha? Innate sense of right and wrong is God's law operating within us. I would know it's wrong to steal but have no problem watching a game on t.v. on Saturday. What's your view on the OP Avonia?

 

[Avonia]

Innate sense of right and wrong is God's law operating within us.

That's a good way of saying it.

What's your view on the OP Avonia?

The structure of Sabbath was given to help us understand that there is always an expressing and withdrawing below the line of creation. Coming into relationship with a 7-day rhythm is one way - there are many others. Sometimes we miss much of what's important about Sabbath and never grow beyond what was given to help us take step #1.

When a child is 2, it's OK to simply say "don't touch the stove." When the child is 10, we expect him to understand more about the nature of the request.

Observing the seventh day as Sabbath is one way to come into relationship - it's not the only way.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

when you have a child does that child ever cease being your child?

I doubt that anything could ever cause me to stop loving my children. However, it is possible for them to become emancipated from me and to legally belong to another.

Nothing your child does will ever result in them ceasing to be your child....

As I noted above, that is not actually true. Although I would never stop loving my children, there are scenarios in which, legally, my children would no longer be mine.

christians give God a bad name with some of the foolishness it spreads....

Not sure what this means, but I do remain interested in understanding your position on the question I asked. So allow me an opportunity to ask it a different way. Will every human who ever lived be in Heaven?

BFA

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Observing the seventh day as Sabbath is one way to come into relationship - it's not the only way.

To whom was the seventh day sabbath given?

BFA

 

[StormyOne]

I doubt that anything could ever cause me to stop loving my children. However, it is possible for them to become emancipated from me and to legally belong to another.

My understanding of emancipation is that a parent must agree for that to happen if the child is still a minor. In essence the parent must agree to give up parental rights... God has never given up his parental rights to anything he has created....

As I noted above, that is not actually true. Although I would never stop loving my children, there are scenarios in which, legally, my children would no longer be mine.

perhaps, but God has never given up ownership to anything he has created....

Not sure what this means, but I do remain interested in understanding your position on the question I asked. So allow me an opportunity to ask it a different way. Will every human who ever lived be in Heaven?

BFA

I have no idea, that's God's call not mine... however it is my belief that God is not interested in destroying any that he has given life.... so time will tell...

 

[sentipente]

I doubt that anything could ever cause me to stop loving my children. However, it is possible for them to become emancipated from me and to legally belong to another.

A child becomes emancipated when he becomes equal to his parent in the eyes of the law. Humans never become equal to their Creator in the eyes of universal law. You should know that.

 

[sentipente]

Not sure what this means, but I do remain interested in understanding your position on the question I asked. So allow me an opportunity to ask it a different way. Will every human who ever lived be in Heaven?

BFA

Humans were created where they were expected to live and that is on earth. The premise of the question is flawed.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

A child becomes emancipated when he becomes equal to his parent in the eyes of the law. Humans never become equal to their Creator in the eyes of universal law. You should know that.

Am I to assume that we have resumed dialogue? Have you received renewed vigor and are no longer tired of trying to dialogue with me?

Legal separation between parent and child can happen for a variety of reasons, and there are scenarios in which parent and child are not considered equals. These scenarios include foster parenting, adoption and divorce.

Humans were created where they were expected to live and that is on earth.

Are you suggesting either that there is no Heaven or that, if there is a Heaven, humans will never live there?

Q: What is salvation?

BFA

 

[sentipente]

Am I to assume that we have resumed dialogue? Have you received renewed vigor and are no longer tired of trying to dialogue with me?

Don't be too full of yourself. I respond to ideas on this forum. I generally don't have the time to check to see who is posting what.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Don't be too full of yourself. I respond to ideas on this forum. I generally don't have the time to check to see who is posting what.

Gotcha. And I'll keep responding to your replies as long as you continue to offer them.

BFA

 

[sentipente]

Legal separation between parent and child can happen for a variety of reasons, and there are scenarios in which parent and child are not considered equals. These scenarios include foster parenting, adoption and divorce.

You continue to amaze me. When someone does what you have just done here there is no use continuing. You must have known, as you were writing this, that it does not make your point. Tell us where you find legal separation between the Creator and His creatures.

 

[sentipente]

Gotcha. And I'll keep responding to your replies as long as you continue to offer them.

BFA

Once again, this is about ideas. It is not about you. I don't go out looking for you. I come here to read ideas and I respond to those that merit a response.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Tell us where you find legal separation between the Creator and His creatures.

I guess I'll learn from my mistakes and not bother presenting evidence that you would not consider authoritative. Rather, I will simply affirm that I believe that there are some who were created by God who will not become recipients of salvation.

I come here to read ideas and I respond to those that merit a response.

Without getting too full of myself, I must admit that I am quite flattered that my posts merited a response!

BFA

 

[sentipente]

If you thought this through you would not have to ask most of the questions you ask. If you serve the God who is omnipresent how can you claim that He lives in a place that is separate from earth?

 

[sentipente]

I guess I'll learn from my mistakes and not bother presenting evidence that you would not consider authoritative. Rather, I will simply affirm that I believe that there are some who were created by God who will not become recipients of salvation.

BFA

You really do love to blow smoke, don't you? I guess it takes all types to make a world.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

If you serve the God who is omnipresent how can you claim that He lives in a place that is separate from earth?

When did I make such a claim?

BFA

 

[Byfaithalone1]

You really do love to blow smoke, don't you? I guess it takes all types to make a world.

Do you believe that ALL who were created by God will become recipients of salvation?

BFA

 

[sentipente]

Do you believe that ALL who were created by God will become recipients of salvation?

BFA

This goes beyond belief. I know what justice demands and what the bible also teaches. ALL were lost through Adam and ALL were saved or rescued through the second Adam. Believe it or not, ALL means ALL.