When something has been sanctified.

[k4c]

Way back in Genesis when there was no sin in the world God blessed and sactified the seventh day of creation.

When something has been sanctifed by God it means it has been set aside for holy use and purpose.

Listen to what God says about Jeremiah.

Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; before you were born I sanctified you; and I ordained you a prophet to the nations.''

Before Jeremiah was even born God set him aside for holy use and purpose.

The seventh day is still set aside for holy use and purpose. Sin has not changed this nor has the death of Christ.

The seventh day is God's day for His people to remember their creator. A day where all of God's people can gather and benefit from the gifts given to God's church by the Holy Spirit. If my unbelieving boss refuses to let me have the seventh day off to gather as a people of God he will stand before God and be held accountable. But if my unbelieving boss refuses to give me the first day off to gather he will not be held accountable because he is not breaking any commandment of God.

The seventh day holiness is just as important as the commandment not to steal becuase if someone stole from me he will be held accountable because of the commandment not to steal but if there is no commandment then their is no violation.

So, the fourth commandment was made for man to give us opportunity to gather and make use of the gifts as we honor and obey the one true God of creaton.

 

[sentipente]

Way back in Genesis when there was no sin in the world God blessed and sactified the seventh day of creation.

When something has been sanctifed by God it means it has been set aside for holy use and purpose.

Are you suggesting that the entire universe as was not made for holy use and purpose?

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Way back in Genesis when there was no sin in the world God blessed and sactified the seventh day of creation.

When something has been sanctifed by God it means it has been set aside for holy use and purpose.

Listen to what God says about Jeremiah.

Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; before you were born I sanctified you; and I ordained you a prophet to the nations.''

Before Jeremiah was even born God set him aside for holy use and purpose.

The seventh day is still set aside for holy use and purpose. Sin has not changed this nor has the death of Christ.

The seventh day is God's day for His people to remember their creator. A day where all of God's people can gather and benefit from the gifts given to God's church by the Holy Spirit. If my unbelieving boss refuses to let me have the seventh day off to gather as a people of God he will stand before God and be held accountable. But if my unbelieving boss refuses to give me the first day off to gather he will not be held accountable because he is not breaking any commandment of God.

The seventh day holiness is just as important as the commandment not to steal becuase if someone stole from me he will be held accountable because of the commandment not to steal but if there is no commandment then their is no violation.

So, the fourth commandment was made for man to give us opportunity to gather and make use of the gifts as we honor and obey the one true God of creaton.

Whenever this subject comes up, we can either:

(1) Rely on the Scriptures to identify the group of people who were required by God to set aside the seventh day as a day of rest.

-OR-

(2) Make assumptions about the group of people who were required by God to set aside the seventh day as a day of rest.
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Which option are you recommending? To date, you have offered no Scripture that actually tells us which group of people were required by God to set aside the seventh day as a day of rest.

BFA

 

[StormyOne]

just because some people said that God told them to set aside the seventh day as a day of rest does not make it so....

 

[Cribstyl]

Way back in Genesis when there was no sin in the world God blessed and sactified the seventh day of creation.

When something has been sanctifed by God it means it has been set aside for holy use and purpose.

According to Moses, God sanctified the seventh day of creation because He ceased from His acts of creation.
If by looking at Gen1-2:3, we read, "and God..., and God..., and God...," about 28times, why inject an offtext commentary about man being given a sabbath rest?
Text shows that God's seventh day was sanctified for God not for man, or explain why God said "they shall not enter my rest? Psa 95:11Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.


What work did man do on the 6th day to rest on the seventh day?
If God commanded Adam to rest on the seventh day, where is the evidence that He gathered 2day supply of food on his first day alive??

There is not even a hint that man could enter God's rest. Psalms 95 and Hebrews 3and 4 proves that keeping a sabbath day and entering God's rest are not the same thing. a)A sabbath is proven to be a 24hr sign of God's rest.
b)A sabbath can be defiled by man because it was made for man.

God's rest could not be defiled by man nor could man enter without imputed righteousness from Jesus Christ through faith.

Gen 2:1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

Gen 2:2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. Gen 2:3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it:because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.​

The text does not imply a weekly cycle because God ended His work, He was finished all His work.

Hebrew3and 4 texts shows that "God's rest" is relate the creator's location after ending His work" it's a place man can enter "today" any day of the week. This text relates to Psalm text where God swore that noone had nor shall entered even in David's day.

Listen to what God says about Jeremiah.

Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; before you were born I sanctified you; and I ordained you a prophet to the nations.''

Before Jeremiah was even born God set him aside for holy use and purpose.

. You're teaching a lesson about santification by using unrelated text.

The seventh day is still set aside for holy use and purpose. Sin has not changed this nor has the death of Christ.

The seventh day is God's day for His people to remember their creator. A day where all of God's people can gather and benefit from the gifts given to God's church by the Holy Spirit. If my unbelieving boss refuses to let me have the seventh day off to gather as a people of God he will stand before God and be held accountable. But if my unbelieving boss refuses to give me the first day off to gather he will not be held accountable because he is not breaking any commandment of God.

The seventh day holiness is just as important as the commandment not to steal becuase if someone stole from me he will be held accountable because of the commandment not to steal but if there is no commandment then their is no violation.

So, the fourth commandment was made for man to give us opportunity to gather and make use of the gifts as we honor and obey the one true God of creaton.

You gotta be kidding about your bible references to those statements.

CRIB

 

[Cribstyl]

If God appeared in China 4000yr ago, the Chinese would hold on to their age old customs of His appearance to their last days.
Why rob the Jewish nation of their traditions and customs that was given to them by God?
What people should be the experts about the sabbath...Americans???? Hellooooooo

Why does the book of Genesis mentions no sabbath?
Why does the first mention of sabbath God commands filling a pot of manna as a 3d video for generations to REMEMBER THE SABBATH?

Exd 16:19And Moses said, Let no man leave of it till the morning.
Exd 16:20Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto Moses; but some of them left of it until the morning, and it bred worms, and stank: and Moses was wroth with them.
Exd 16:21And they gathered it every morning, every man according to his eating: and when the sun waxed hot, it melted.
Exd 16:22And it came to pass, [that] on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one [man]: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.
Exd 16:23And he said unto them, This [is that] which the LORD hath said, To morrow [is] the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake [that] which ye will bake [to day], and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.
Exd 16:24And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein.
Exd 16:25And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day [is] a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
Exd 16:26Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, [which is] the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
Exd 16:27And it came to pass, [that] there went out [some] of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
Exd 16:28And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
Exd 16:29See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
Exd 16:30So the people rested on the seventh day.
Exd 16:31And the house of Israel called the name thereof Manna: and it [was] like coriander seed, white; and the taste of it [was] like wafers [made] with honey.
Exd 16:32And Moses said, This [is] the thing which the LORD commandeth, Fill an omer of it to be kept for your generations; that they may see the bread wherewith I have fed you in the wilderness, when I brought you forth from the land of Egypt.
Exd 16:33And Moses said unto Aaron, Take a pot, and put an omer full of manna therein, and lay it up before the LORD, to be kept for your generations.
Exd 16:34As the LORD commanded Moses, so Aaron laid it up before the Testimony, to be kept.


CRIB

 

[Cribstyl]

Could it be possible that God's seventh day rest is in heaven?
Why? All the text that pertains to what God did after creation relocates Him in heaven and on the throne.

Isa 66:1Thus saith the LORD, The heaven [is] my throne, and the earth [is] my footstool: where [is] the house that ye build unto me? and where [is] the place of my rest?



Act 7:49Heaven [is] my throne, and earth [is] my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what [is] the place of my rest?

Genesis 2:1-3 points to God's rest being a sanctified place rather a 24hr day for man to rest.

The sabbath is a 24hr day that only the COI were commanded to keep holy by not working on that day. (debatable)

Prove that worship was ever restricted to any one day of the week?
Why is Sunday worship wrong?
Why should anyone believe that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast?

 

[sentipente]

Sad that this is still an issue.

 

[Avonia]

Sad that this is still an issue.

It's a bit like two people trying to kill each other during an argument about the nature of God's love.

 

[Cribstyl]

It's a bit like two people trying to kill each other during an argument about the nature of God's love.

Is that what you see???
All I see is people ducking questions about a subject they keep bringing to the table after making statements that appear misleading.

This thread "When something has been sanctified.." implies that all humanity is suppose to keep the sabbath. By close examination of the bible, this may not be the case at all.

By dialog we can and should explain what we understand from God's word.

The fact is this, SDA accuses the christain majority of breaking God's law.

When I look into their statements, it's all smoke and mirrors.

CRIB

 

[StormyOne]

Is that what you see???
All I see is people ducking questions about a subject they keep bringing to the table after making statements that appear misleading.

you see a couple of people doing that, for others it is a non-issue...

This thread "When something has been sanctified.." implies that all humanity is suppose to keep the sabbath. By close examination of the bible, this may not be the case at all.

close examination? seems like I asked someone to examine closely the bible and they told me that they have faith in "God's word." Now that person is suggesting a close examination? Come on Crib, how close is close?

By dialog we can and should explain what we understand from God's word.

or not....

The fact is this, SDA accuses the christain majority of breaking God's law.

When I look into their statements, it's all smoke and mirrors.

CRIB

as is much of religious conversation....

 

[Avonia]

Is that what you see???
All I see is people ducking questions about a subject they keep bringing to the table after making statements that appear misleading.

Well . . . since you asked.

There are several flaws that continually surface.

1. Making "if A then B" statements where characteristics of A are asserted that can not be shown - only assumed. But focusing the conversation on "then B."

2. Not being here to learn - this is obvious by the lack of evolution in dialog. Once we assume that something is either 100% right or 100% wrong - we are unteachable. Nothing more can be learned about it.

3. Being systemically weak - it's rampant on this forum. Senti frustrates people because he either forces them to think systemically or (more commonly) frustrates their attempts to force him into making sense out of arranging their familiar pile of known and comfortable pieces parts. This has nothing to do with whether he is right or wrong - it has to do with the level and scope of his thinking.

That's at least part of what I see. But who knows - I may be wrong!

 

[Pythons]

Way back in Genesis when there was no sin in the world God blessed and sactified the seventh day of creation.

When something has been sanctifed by God it means it has been set aside for holy use and purpose.

Listen to what God says about Jeremiah.

Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; before you were born I sanctified you; and I ordained you a prophet to the nations.''

Before Jeremiah was even born God set him aside for holy use and purpose.

The seventh day is still set aside for holy use and purpose. Sin has not changed this nor has the death of Christ.

It means that it's been set aside for holy use and purpose unless or until God junks it.

For now have I chosen and sanctified this house, that my name may be there for ever: and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.

Then will I pluck them up by the roots out of my land which I have given them; and this house, which I have sanctified for my name, will I cast out of my sight, and will make it to be a proverb and a byword among all nations.

The above was to be there "for ever" and "perpetually" but God junked it because it did not serve His purpose.

The seventh day is God's day for His people to remember their creator. A day where all of God's people can gather and benefit from the gifts given to God's church by the Holy Spirit. If my unbelieving boss refuses to let me have the seventh day off to gather as a people of God he will stand before God and be held accountable. But if my unbelieving boss refuses to give me the first day off to gather he will not be held accountable because he is not breaking any commandment of God.

Not so because your boss isn't "compelled" by Natural Law to give you the seventh day off. You boss wouldn't order you to steal, kill or have sex with a woman not your wife because those are all natural laws God has imprinted on your boss. If he were to do or ask you to do any of those things he would know he's wrong because they all violate Moral or Natural law. Your Boss isn't compelled to observe Saturday over any other day of the week thus it isn't "moral" or Natural.

The seventh day holiness is just as important as the commandment not to steal becuase if someone stole from me he will be held accountable because of the commandment not to steal but if there is no commandment then their is no violation.

So, the fourth commandment was made for man to give us opportunity to gather and make use of the gifts as we honor and obey the one true God of creaton.

If you've ever been outside the US or other advanced nation such as the Middle East or Asian you would talk yourself out of the logic used to justify seventh day holiness. In any country or savage tribal system (even those who are still pagan) people are commanded by Moral law to NOT STEAL, Murder, sleep with other peoples wives, etc because God has engrained it into their very being. A savage isn't compelled to honor Saturday over any other day of the week simply because it's not moral or natural law. Sacred Scripture states the Sabbath began to rot and become putrid after Jesus rose from the dead.

 

[StormyOne]

A savage? Pagans? still using these terms because? Are we not all God's children?

 

[Pythons]

A savage? Pagans? still using these terms because? Are we not all God's children?

Galatians 3, 8

 

[StormyOne]

Galatians 3, 8

would that be a yes or a no?

 

[Pythons]

That would be a big YES. I'm using the terms savage and pagan. A person who has never heard of Jesus and worships a frog is no less a child of God then the Pope. The point remains that a person who thinks a modern aircraft is an evil spirit knows it's wrong to steal while oblivious that there is anything 'special' about Saturday.

Are you suggesting that a Saturday Sabbath is "moral" or "natural law"?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/30/world/main4137506.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_4137506

 

[Avonia]

That would be a big YES. I'm using the terms savage and pagan.

Why would you pair them?

 

[Pythons]

Why would you pair them?

Covering the bases. A Roman citizen 100 A.D. would be clasified as "pagan" while a Tribal member as shown in the link I posted above would be clasified as a "savage". Would you consider a Roman who served in the Roman Senate "a Savage"?

A savage is certainly a pagan and the same thing could not be said about a Pagan being a savage. I paired them because in my view it's true.

 

[JonMiller]

Senti frustrates people because he either forces them to think systemically or (more commonly) frustrates their attempts to force him into making sense out of arranging their familiar pile of known and comfortable pieces parts.

He also frustrates people because he uses definitions that aren't similar to what most other people use.

JM