When is it ok to kill?

[Evee]

Wow. I think me killing a man to protect the life of my family is justified under God's eyes. I'm sure I would have to answer for it, but I believe I could. God is pretty smart and I don't think he would hold me accountable for protecting lifes.

Are we not allowed to call the police after getting robbed and just "turn the other cheek?" We are not meant to be left defenseless. Turn the other cheek on someones debt or if they stole your cookie, but if someone is going to kill you or a loved one, you can't turn your cheek on that.

Yes I agree!

 

[RyanLJohnson1]

One thing that hasn't been brought up is as follows:

The original Hebrew of the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" reads "Thou shalt not murder" and "thou shalt not kill" has been rendered as a misinterpretation. I heard this on a Sunday morning service on TV awhile ago... has anybody heard about this?

This is my belief, which is based on Scriptures which I cannot remember, but I remember reading them. If anybody knows them, help me out here! (I think it's in Leviticus)

Murdering is when you "kill somebody of innocent blood."
Killing is when you "kill somebody of guilty blood."

Anybody going to back me up on this?
Does anybody agree with "kill" being a mistranslation, which should be "murder?"

Just a thought.

Love in Christ,
Ryan

 

[nb_christseeker]

Whatsoever ye would have men do unto you, do ye unto them.
Love one another even as Christ has loved you.

If someone points a gun at you, tell them: "To live is Christ, to die is gain".

[bible]Philippians 1:20-22[/bible]

 

[nb_christseeker]

God does not let a sparrow fall to the ground against his will, much less a human. To live is Christ, to die is gain.

 

[Faithful nonbeliever]

One thing that hasn't been brought up is as follows:

The original Hebrew of the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" reads "Thou shalt not murder" and "thou shalt not kill" has been rendered as a misinterpretation. I heard this on a Sunday morning service on TV awhile ago... has anybody heard about this?

This is my belief, which is based on Scriptures which I cannot remember, but I remember reading them. If anybody knows them, help me out here! (I think it's in Leviticus)

Murdering is when you "kill somebody of innocent blood."
Killing is when you "kill somebody of guilty blood."

Anybody going to back me up on this?
Does anybody agree with "kill" being a mistranslation, which should be "murder?"

Just a thought.

Love in Christ,
Ryan

But who are you, or even the president to decide who is innocent and who is guilty? I contend that all of the civilians that are being killed are quite innocent. As far as being commanded by a superior goes, their leader is telling them to fight us. How is that thier fault?

 

[Olga]

John 15:13
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Mt.5:21,22
21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

No doubt we can protect the one we love or our neighbor. THE PROBLEM IS we usually believe that our records are clean when IN FACT we kill people in our hearts, with our thoughts and words.

 

[HoosierCanuck]

No doubt we can protect the one we love or our neighbor. THE PROBLEM IS we usually believe that our records are clean when IN FACT we kill people in our hearts, with our thoughts and words.

Very True. With thoughts alone I have probably killed more people than our military.

I don't see a problem with a soldier killing someone who is about to kill him or a fellow soldier. I do see a problem with killing innocent civilians. I don't see a problem with someone killing in self-defense. If it were me in that situation I would at least ask for forgiveness anyway. God knows my heart. He would know whether or not I was committing a malicious act.

It's weird (and probably off topic) but even though we are mostly sure of where we're headed if we die, we still are afraid of letting death happen. Our sinful nature makes want to live in the world longer instead of getting it over with and going to heaven.

 

[Faith In God]

Wow. I think me killing a man to protect the life of my family is justified under God's eyes. I'm sure I would have to answer for it, but I believe I could. God is pretty smart and I don't think he would hold me accountable for protecting lifes.

Are we not allowed to call the police after getting robbed and just "turn the other cheek?" We are not meant to be left defenseless. Turn the other cheek on someones debt or if they stole your cookie, but if someone is going to kill you or a loved one, you can't turn your cheek on that.

Jesus did nothing on the cross.

Tell me this. If a man pointed a gun at your wife, and you also had a gun, would you shoot the man, knowing that your wife would go to heaven when she died but the man you would kill would go to hell?

 

[Screamin'Eagle]

ummm to the people that said that the old testement cant be used, forgive me not the exact words but you get my point, then why would God have kept it in the bible?

 

[Underdog77]

But who are you, or even the president to decide who is innocent and who is guilty?

There are guilty ones out there and as president one of Bush's jobs is to execute the law. That is what he is supposed to do and that is why we elected him. We believed he could do the job better than the other candidates. Bush is in the position and he is doing it to they best his ability (and doing a fine job if you want my opinion).

Secondly, someone must give the order. Someone must decide who is guilty and who is innocent. This is known as government. Will it always be correct? No, this is a fallen world and mistakes will be made but an attempt must also be made lest we live amoung murderers, rapist, and thieves.

 

[Shining Arcanine]

When is it ok to kill?
Many people serving in the armed forces are christians, many of them will have killed, is it ok for them to kill?
Is it ok to kill under any circumstances?

The question isn't when is it ok to kill. The question is when will God not condemn us for killing.

I do not think that God will condemn the armed forces as they acted to help ensure that our children will grow up in a world where they can enjoy the rights we take for granted.

 

[Ave Maria]

If someone is in the military and they are commanded to kill the enemy then I am ok with that. However, there needs to be a good reason for going to war. Killing someone to defend yourself if necessary also seems a logical reason to kill.

 

[brinley45cal]

Is it? What about turning the other cheek?

turning the other cheek has nothing to do with self defense.During the time that was wrote,it was an insult if you struck someone on the cheek with the back of your hand.It wasnt meant to hurt you but insult you,in other words if someone insults you your not suppose to insult back.Self defense is a different ball game all togather,If someone is trying to hurt or kill you or your family you have every right to defend yourself.If someone walks up to your kid and punches them in the face are you going to tell them to take it and to turn the other cheek so they can punch the other side?And not do anything about it?I would hope not.
As far as the military is concerned, there were plenty of people that fought in armies in the bible.I would think it depended on what you were fighting for,was david wrong to kill goliath?I dont think so myself.

 

[tndrwarrior]

Jesus did nothing on the cross.

Tell me this. If a man pointed a gun at your wife, and you also had a gun, would you shoot the man, knowing that your wife would go to heaven when she died but the man you would kill would go to hell?

I hope your not implying that you would let the man kill your wife because if so your thinking is very perverted. A husband is a protector first of all and to allow something like that to happen is a disgrace to your manhood. Furthermore, when Abraham pleads with the Lord to spare the city of Sodom, the Lord says he will not destroy it if He finds 10 just people. In your scenario allowing your wife to die would be like God killing only the just people in the city and sparing the heathens.

 

[Faith In God]

I hope your not implying that you would let the man kill your wife because if so your thinking is very perverted. A husband is a protector first of all and to allow something like that to happen is a disgrace to your manhood.

I said nothing of the sort. would I kill the man in self defence? no. would i do everything I could to stop him? yes. the question was a hypothetical one whereas the man was given a choice between his wife being killed, or the man killing the potential killer.

 

[Olga]

Jesus did nothing on the cross.

Tell me this. If a man pointed a gun at your wife, and you also had a gun, would you shoot the man, knowing that your wife would go to heaven when she died but the man you would kill would go to hell?

As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith. (Ga.6:10)

That means if you don`t help your wife, who is of the household of faith, you won`t fulfill the word of G-d. Do not err and thus be not deceived.

 

[Faith In God]

As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith. (Ga.6:10)

That means if you don`t help your wife, who is of the household of faith, you won`t fulfill the word of G-d. Do not err and thus be not deceived.

so doing good to the wife means doing evil to the man. I said nothing of not helping, i said if you had the opportunity to have your wife die at the hand of the murderer or kill the murderer, which would be right?

I would rather refrain from doing evil, if you don't mind. self defense? sure. keep as many alive as you can. kill in defense? "Do not resist an evil person" I will try to keep him from doing evil, but i will not stop evil by doing evil.

 

[PRMan]

I think this is a Romans 14 issue. Nobody should do what they believe in their conscience to be evil.

But, for the record, I would shoot the guy who was trying to kill my wife.

 

[PRMan]

2. A just war can only be waged by a legitimate authority. People, vigilantes, terrorists do not wage just wars; only a legitimate government is permitted to wage a war that can be considered justifide.

I have trouble with #2. So, the American revolution was invalid? What about the northern freedom fighters in Iraq? What about the type of situation presented by Star Wars? Aren't they fighting institutionalized evil? So, I have to get togther with my friends first and set up a new government by having us all sign a new Constitution? Then #2 is fulfilled? How many people have to sign?

You may want to rethink that one.

 

[Olga]

so doing good to the wife means doing evil to the man. I said nothing of not helping, i said if you had the opportunity to have your wife die at the hand of the murderer or kill the murderer, which would be right?

I would rather refrain from doing evil, if you don't mind. self defense? sure. keep as many alive as you can. kill in defense? "Do not resist an evil person" I will try to keep him from doing evil, but i will not stop evil by doing evil.

"Do not resist an evil person" has nothing to do with this situation as it makes sense when concerning your own life ONLY. First of all we are responsible for what we are trusted with. But if you have not been trustworthy in handling worldly wealth, who will trust you with true riches? (Lk.16:11)

''The hired hand is not the shepherd who owns the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it.'' (Jn.10:12) ''While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.'' (Jn.17:12)

Okey, you aren`t going to love your wife much enough to kill someone for her sake BUT would you also let the same guy murder you children?