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Yeah we can only know what we can know and that is what we HAVE to go off of until it can be shown that other things work.
 
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the semiautomatic and automatic multiple fast shooting, kill multiple people in a few second guns DID NOT exist back then
They wrote the Constitution with a view of the future. They knew that there were guns being invented that fired quickly but because of the cost and the cost of maintenance they weren't widely produced. So they knew that rapid firing guns would be perfected.
The Kalthoff repeater was invented in the 1600's.

The Royal Foot Guards of Denmark were issued with about a hundred of these guns, and they are thought to have been used in the Siege of Copenhagen (1658-59) and the Scanian War. Others were ordered for private use or for demonstration.

Kalthoff repeater - Wikipedia
 
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There you go. Amazing what 5 minutes of Googling/research can do? Stop making baseless claims just because the media has instilled a public panic.
What??!!

You have cherry-picked without repentance. I at least acknowledge my error and set it aright.

You are therefore hardly in a position to lecture anyone.
 
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Guns are a tool nothing more.
This is not a good argument, although it appears all the time. Of course it is a tool. But that hardly is an argument that it should not be restricted.

A thermonuclear warhead is "only a tool", but this hardly means it would not be YUUUUGE problem if everyone were allowed to have one in their home.
 
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If I'm lying why don't you provide some evidence then?
The point is that you are engaging in a deceptive form of reasoning by cherry-picking data. And it is hard to believe you did this by accident. So it is simple logic that you are engaging in a form of bearing false witness.

I already provided "evidence" that suggests that there is no clear relationship between gun ownership and crime rates.
 
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We've had yet another school shooting this morning in Texas. We've had yet another wicked, truly evil person walk in freely and murder eight students. If that does not outrage you, you are not human and have no pulse.
Think Manchurian Candidate. There a time bombs walking around who have been programmed to kill when the right trigger is clicked. Think Jason Bourne.
 
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So you have a few armed teachers in a school. How is that different than guards? I'd say the difference is that the guards could focus on guarding and the teachers could focus on teaching. What an idea!
That is fine for school districts that can afford to hire armed guards. But if you have been watching the news this past month you must know that there are schools that can't even afford school supplies, current textbooks, and teacher's pay.
 
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The parents got a letter? The parents should have been called right away. They should have been there and involved immediately. When the school and police do the job a parent is responsible for it let's the parents off the hook. When the parent has to leave their job to show up at the school they are more likely to take their child's behave seriously.
 
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The parents got a letter?

sorry, that was confusing

our child brought letter home same day as they keep parents informed
am sure they called parents of child in question esp. with police being called
 
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You mean to drive a car LEGALLY. There are people who drive cars EVERY DAY that have no business doing so and really unless they otherwise break a law ( or go through a checkpoint which is rare in most cases people never know.
Of course I’m talking about doing it legally. The vast majority of drivers do it legally.

The fact remains that you need to pass tests to get a drivers license—you don’t need to do that to get a gun.
 
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What if we had free or sliding scale gun safety classes?
I would go for that.
Our school used to give hunter's safety classes for free. There was a written test and a gun safety test for handling, loading, carrying, and shooting. All our 5th graders took the class. If they passed they received their hunter's safety card. In my state you must have this card in order to buy a hunting license.
 
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Are these people you speak of committing crimes with their guns? And if a law-abiding citizen OWNS a gun, does that mean they idolize it?

Read post #2 again.

By the way, I don't have or own a gun either.

Seeing guns, however in the hands of police, or law-abiding citizens doesn't freak me out. It's the evil intent of the one wielding the gun that does.

Guns are not evil. It's the one with evil intent that is.
 
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because often people purchase guns with anger in their heart and immediate plans to murder

with a waiting period, there's time for background checks and also potential murderers may have a change of heart
Background checks don't take any time at all, at the most a half an hour.
People usually don't stay murder angry at another person for a month. If they do the waiting period doesn't mean anything, they will wait it out.

But again a waiting period disproportionately effects rural people and especially lower income rural people.
 
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because often people purchase guns with anger in their heart and immediate plans to murder

with a waiting period, there's time for background checks and also potential murderers may have a change of heart
That makes no sense. If there is a waiting period that may stop one fatal agruent but if it IS done in the heat of the moment at some point that waiting period will be up and I can promise you there will be more heated moments/argueuments that comes down to self control and anger management.
 
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You are talking about a complete systemic and paradigm shift - which, historically, does not happen unless it is at the beginning, or end of a total collapse of an empire. It is always bitter-sweet, and even times considered pyrrhic.


Are you sure you want that change? Moreover, are you sure other humans on this planet are willing to put in the work to make that change?

There will be patches and band-aids, people will sing songs of peace and forget the past, and then destruction and lawlessness again. And, that is if you believe in humanity such that the patches and bandaids actually stick.
 
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It is still the case in rural America that a lot of poor people hunt for food.
Yup and often times that is where they get much if not all of their meat. Many of them also grow their own food, but that has nothing to do with this thread.
 
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because often people purchase guns with anger in their heart and immediate plans to murder

with a waiting period, there's time for background checks and also potential murderers may have a change of heart

I have over 10 guns. I bought zero of them with anger in my heart. You want to take my guns away from me because of a deranged individual? Over my dead body.
 
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