When is abortion acceptable?

[Ave Maria]

When is abortion acceptable? Please vote in my poll.

 

[Ave Maria]

I voted for when the mother's life is in danger and when the pregnancy is a result of rape, incest, or molestation.

 

[ILove2Worship]

In my opinion its when either something seriously medically wrong with Mother, and Child or whatever. I dont think that there should be a reason to jeopordize the health of the Mother if the child is basically taking the Mother nutrients. So I voted if the mother is in danger.

 

[die2live]

When the mother and baby will die, such as in an ectopic pregnancy.

 

[Bree1]

When the mother's life is in danger, and for pregnancy resulting from rape or incest, and for fetal deformity, even though that wasn't in the poll

 

[pink145]

ok, to the ppl who think abortion is never acceptable:
where the heck do you get off saying that?!!! you dont know the situation. are you saying that if a person is raped, and their life is in danger from the pregnancy, they should just die?! and what about the fact that a rape victim is forced to carry around a remeinder of the traumatic event for 9MONTHS?! no, i dont agree with using abortions as a form of birth control, but its not that black and white. i know someone who was raped and got an abortion. i dont blame her for a second. how would you feel if your sister, your mother, your aunt, cousin, or daughter got raped and was forced to carry around that reminder?! better question, how would you feel if it happened to you. when you go through it, then we'll talk.

 

[ContentInHim]

So let's talk!

 

[Ave Maria]

ok, to the ppl who think abortion is never acceptable:
where the heck do you get off saying that?!!! you dont know the situation. are you saying that if a person is raped, and their life is in danger from the pregnancy, they should just die?! and what about the fact that a rape victim is forced to carry around a remeinder of the traumatic event for 9MONTHS?! no, i dont agree with using abortions as a form of birth control, but its not that black and white. i know someone who was raped and got an abortion. i dont blame her for a second. how would you feel if your sister, your mother, your aunt, cousin, or daughter got raped and was forced to carry around that reminder?! better question, how would you feel if it happened to you. when you go through it, then we'll talk.

I totally agree. The mother should not be forced to carry around a reminder of what happened to her for 9 months. That is just wrong.

 

[die2live]

A raped woman is likely to have stronger and more painful memories of an abortion than of nine months of carrying a child.

Not to mention the very idea that a child deserves to be torn apart and ripped out so his mother will have a slightly less vivid memory is just barbaric.

But that's beside the point, because no woman will be better off aborting than carrying anyway (unless she and the baby will die by a continued pregnancy of course).

 

[Ave Maria]

A raped woman is likely to have stronger and more painful memories of an abortion than of nine months of carrying a child.

Not to mention the very idea that a child deserves to be torn apart and ripped out so his mother will have a slightly less vivid memory is just barbaric.

But that's beside the point, because no woman will be better off aborting than carrying anyway (unless she and the baby will die by a continued pregnancy of course).

Actually a raped woman is likely to have peaceful feelings when she looks back on the abortion she got because she realizes that she no longer had to carry around her "punishment" any longer.

 

[TankGirl]

How is rape the child's fault? Do they deserve to receive the death penalty for the sins of their father?

That said, I would never condemn a woman who made that terrible choice. They need love, grace & mercy, and the healing hand of their Father.

I voted where the mother's life is at risk.

 

[koban4max]

When someone is pointing a gun to your head.

 

[Ave Maria]

How is rape the child's fault? Do they deserve to receive the death penalty for the sins of their father?

That said, I would never condemn a woman who made that terrible choice. They need love, grace & mercy, and the healing hand of their Father.

I voted where the mother's life is at risk.

Nobody ever said that the rape is the fault of the fetus. I honestly don't see your point in this. If a woman has been raped and has suffered a pregnancy as a result, she should have the right to abort that pregnancy rather than suffer through with it for 9 months and then deal with the child (her "punishment" or reminder) for 18 years.

 

[die2live]

Actually a raped woman is likely to have peaceful feelings when she looks back on the abortion she got because she realizes that she no longer had to carry around her "punishment" any longer.

No, she won't. At least it's not likely. It's far more likely that she will experience feelings of guilt, loss, anger and hopelessness, just like the majority of women who go through an abortion.

 

[Ave Maria]

No, she won't. At least it's not likely. It's far more likely that she will experience feelings of guilt, loss, anger and hopelessness, just like the majority of women who go through an abortion.

Do you have a source for your data because I don't believe it. I have a source for mine. My data says that "post abortion syndrome" does not exist and that women often feel relief after getting an abortion. See the following links:

http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/facts/post_abortion_issues.html

http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/myths/post_abortion_syndrome.html

Approximately 5% to 30% of women report feelings of regret, anxiety, guilt, mild depression and other negative emotions.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=12951

This certainly is a minority. Since a minority of women express negative emotions, the majority would logically express positive emotions.

 

[TankGirl]

Nobody ever said that the rape is the fault of the fetus. I honestly don't see your point in this. If a woman has been raped and has suffered a pregnancy as a result, she should have the right to abort that pregnancy rather than suffer through with it for 9 months and then deal with the child (her "punishment" or reminder) for 18 years.

It's not the baby's fault, but they must suffer the consequences? They must have their life terminated because of the sins of another?

I'm sorry you don't see my point. I'm not asking you to agree with me, but maybe to open your mind and try to see where I'm coming from?

Don't forget that it's not a "pregnancy" that she's terminating, but the life of a child. Did you know, that just 6 weeks after conception, a baby has all it's major organs in place & fully functioning (apart from the lungs, which are the last to mature)? Actually, their heart begins beating after just 3 weeks. An incredible miracle.

I'm actually in full agreement with you that she should have the right to terminate, I just question the assumption that the pregnancy is a punishment, and that she should abort. (Not saying this is your position, but it is a widely held assumption, and women who don't abort are often viewed with disbelief.)

Could you ever imagine a woman NOT suffering for 9 months, but perhaps loving her child in spite of the circumstances of it's conception? Maybe even feeling that the child could be a blessing born out of disaster?

I hope you don't feel that I am attacking you - it is hard to express tone in the medium of a forum like this. I actually held the same opinion as you for MANY years, but I have mellowed with age, experience, the wisdom of others and becoming a parent myself!

Do try and see what I am saying. It may not change your opinion, but it may expand your perspective nonetheless.

 

[cookiebaker]

I voted for life of the mother, although I qualify that by saying it is extremely rare with the medicine and advances in obstetric medicine nowdays, for there to be a true situation where in order to save the mothers life, you have to do an actual abortion. Normally with something like eclampsia which is a true obstetric emergency this happens veyr late in preganncy and the baby can then be taken quickly as in ecsection. An emergency csection takes shorter amount of time than doing a late term abortion for any type of actual ob emergency.

In most other cases, such as preeclampsia, the doctors can give medicine and other interventions to stop it. Usually the emergency though is on the baby's side, such as a cord accident, these necessiate also, an ecsection

 

[die2live]

Do you have a source for your data because I don't believe it. I have a source for mine. My data says that "post abortion syndrome" does not exist and that women often feel relief after getting an abortion. See the following links:

http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/facts/post_abortion_issues.html

http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/myths/post_abortion_syndrome.html



http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=12951

This certainly is a minority. Since a minority of women express negative emotions, the majority would logically express positive emotions.

Yes I do have a source:

http://www.abortionfacts.com/online...love_them_both_9.asp#Are there valid studies?

This actually explains why it is generally believed that women experience a sense of relief. They don't usually respond to questionnaires accurately. In a Canadian study (the details are in the article), a questionnaire was distributed among a group of women who had aborted. As expected, they generally reported a sense or relief. However, when half of them were randomly chosen for intense psychotherapy, the true results came out.

This was also interesting:

http://www.physiciansforlife.org/content/view/422/26/

And here are some stories from women who have gone through abortion:

http://www.physiciansforlife.org/content/category/5/124/53/

Not to mention the fact that I have seen, talked with and counseled several women who have gone through an abortion. While I have met a couple who do not regret their actions, the vast majority attest to feeling a host of negative emotions due to their abortions (including but not limited to sadness, guilt, hopelessness, anger, flashbacks, fear of infertility, problems in relationships) and insist that they would never put themselves through that again. Even the ones who claim they do not regret their decision still admitted to several of the symptoms mentioned.

 

[Ave Maria]

Yes I do have a source:

http://www.abortionfacts.com/online...love_them_both_9.asp#Are there valid studies?

This actually explains why it is generally believed that women experience a sense of relief. They don't usually respond to questionnaires accurately. In a Canadian study (the details are in the article), a questionnaire was distributed among a group of women who had aborted. As expected, they generally reported a sense or relief. However, when half of them were randomly chosen for intense psychotherapy, the true results came out.

This was also interesting:

http://www.physiciansforlife.org/content/view/422/26/

And here are some stories from women who have gone through abortion:

http://www.physiciansforlife.org/content/category/5/124/53/

Not to mention the fact that I have seen, talked with and counseled several women who have gone through an abortion. While I have met a couple who do not regret their actions, the vast majority attest to feeling a host of negative emotions due to their abortions (including but not limited to sadness, guilt, hopelessness, anger, flashbacks, fear of infertility, problems in relationships) and insist that they would never put themselves through that again. Even the ones who claim they do not regret their decision still admitted to several of the symptoms mentioned.

Thank you for your sources but I guess you can say I do not trust them. Pro-life organizations make a habit of twisting the truth in order to prevent as many abortions as possible. An example of this is pro-life organizations insisting that "post-abortion syndrome" is a real medical problem when in fact "post-abortion syndrome" does not even exist. You can see the links in my previous post for sources on this.

 

[Ave Maria]

It's not the baby's fault, but they must suffer the consequences? They must have their life terminated because of the sins of another?

I'm sorry you don't see my point. I'm not asking you to agree with me, but maybe to open your mind and try to see where I'm coming from?

Don't forget that it's not a "pregnancy" that she's terminating, but the life of a child. Did you know, that just 6 weeks after conception, a baby has all it's major organs in place & fully functioning (apart from the lungs, which are the last to mature)? Actually, their heart begins beating after just 3 weeks. An incredible miracle.

I'm actually in full agreement with you that she should have the right to terminate, I just question the assumption that the pregnancy is a punishment, and that she should abort. (Not saying this is your position, but it is a widely held assumption, and women who don't abort are often viewed with disbelief.)

Could you ever imagine a woman NOT suffering for 9 months, but perhaps loving her child in spite of the circumstances of it's conception? Maybe even feeling that the child could be a blessing born out of disaster?

I hope you don't feel that I am attacking you - it is hard to express tone in the medium of a forum like this. I actually held the same opinion as you for MANY years, but I have mellowed with age, experience, the wisdom of others and becoming a parent myself!

Do try and see what I am saying. It may not change your opinion, but it may expand your perspective nonetheless.

I do see your point of view. I used to be pro-life. Thank you for explaining your view.