When Eve Ate the Tangerine

[Dale]

Yes, I know God makes it look like he discovered it, but we know that God knows everything. Jesus tended to do the same.
For example, before feeding the crowd
35 By this time it was late in the day, so his disciples came to him. “This is a remote place,” they said, “and it’s already very late. 36 Send the people away so that they can go to the surrounding countryside and villages and buy themselves something to eat.”

37 But he answered, “You give them something to eat.”

They said to him, “That would take more than half a year’s wages! Are we to go and spend that much on bread and give it to them to eat?”

He already knew they would not be able to feed them. I find it amusing. We know that Jesus knew things beforehand, like when he told peter "Truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "this very night, before the rooster crows, you will disown me three times." Matthew 26:34 so it isn't like God doesn't know what is going to happen. I think when God does this it is for our benefit, the person realizes that God knows everything, that he knows our needs even before we do but also that we can't hide from God, we can't hide our sin. It teaches us something about ourselves and God.



She still had to answer for her own sin, so the punishment passes down but not the sin nature, that comes from Adam.
Or are you asking why should us women bare Eve's punishment? I don't know the answer to that, just that we do. I can tell you as a woman, childbirth is no joke. It's called labour for a reason. I assume it is because Eve is the 'mother of all the living'.
Genesis 3:20
Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living.
So there is some form of passing down occurring. That somehow what they did before the fall is somehow inherited by us.Not just Adam and Eve were cursed, the creation is too.
Romans 8:22
We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.

Notice Jesus didn't have an earthly father only a mother because if he had an earthly father he would have also had a sin nature, but he didn't. Then since he was a man he didn't share in Eves punishment, so he truly was the only sin-free man. The saviour had to be sin-free.

Plus while she sinned, she was deceived, Adam wasn't. I think that is another important detail.
1 Timothy 2:14
And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
He sinned in a different way from her. His was a more aware and purposeful sin.
To me its the difference between someone losing their temper or someone who plots to rob a shop, one is premeditated the other is not.

Also notice that creation bits and pieces are woven throughout scripture, it is not just in the book of Genesis. This is another reason why I am a creationist.

Coffee4U: "She still had to answer for her own sin, so the punishment passes down but not the sin nature, that comes from Adam."


That doesn't make sense to me because the "sin nature" doesn't come from the body. I have talked to Christians (liberals?) who believe that at the moment of death, your soul disconnects from your body. Then your soul instantly becomes morally perfect, since the body is assumed to be the source of moral imperfection. As I said, that doesn't make sense to me. There is no promise in the Bible that we will become perfect at the moment of death.

 

[mmksparbud]

Coffee4U: "She still had to answer for her own sin, so the punishment passes down but not the sin nature, that comes from Adam."


That doesn't make sense to me because the "sin nature" doesn't come from the body. I have talked to Christians (liberals?) who believe that at the moment of death, your soul disconnects from your body. Then your soul instantly becomes morally perfect, since the body is assumed to be the source of moral imperfection. As I said, that doesn't make sense to me. There is no promise in the Bible that we will become perfect at the moment of death.

Ecc_9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

 

[Dale]

Yes, I know God makes it look like he discovered it, but we know that God knows everything. Jesus tended to do the same.
For example, before feeding the crowd
35 By this time it was late in the day, so his disciples came to him. “This is a remote place,” they said, “and it’s already very late. 36 Send the people away so that they can go to the surrounding countryside and villages and buy themselves something to eat.”

37 But he answered, “You give them something to eat.”

They said to him, “That would take more than half a year’s wages! Are we to go and spend that much on bread and give it to them to eat?”

He already knew they would not be able to feed them. I find it amusing. We know that Jesus knew things beforehand, like when he told peter "Truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "this very night, before the rooster crows, you will disown me three times." Matthew 26:34 so it isn't like God doesn't know what is going to happen. I think when God does this it is for our benefit, the person realizes that God knows everything, that he knows our needs even before we do but also that we can't hide from God, we can't hide our sin. It teaches us something about ourselves and God.



She still had to answer for her own sin, so the punishment passes down but not the sin nature, that comes from Adam.
Or are you asking why should us women bare Eve's punishment? I don't know the answer to that, just that we do. I can tell you as a woman, childbirth is no joke. It's called labour for a reason. I assume it is because Eve is the 'mother of all the living'.
Genesis 3:20
Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living.
So there is some form of passing down occurring. That somehow what they did before the fall is somehow inherited by us.Not just Adam and Eve were cursed, the creation is too.
Romans 8:22
We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.

Notice Jesus didn't have an earthly father only a mother because if he had an earthly father he would have also had a sin nature, but he didn't. Then since he was a man he didn't share in Eves punishment, so he truly was the only sin-free man. The saviour had to be sin-free.

Plus while she sinned, she was deceived, Adam wasn't. I think that is another important detail.
1 Timothy 2:14
And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
He sinned in a different way from her. His was a more aware and purposeful sin.
To me its the difference between someone losing their temper or someone who plots to rob a shop, one is premeditated the other is not.

Also notice that creation bits and pieces are woven throughout scripture, it is not just in the book of Genesis. This is another reason why I am a creationist.

Coffee4U: "Also notice that creation bits and pieces are woven throughout scripture, it is not just in the book of Genesis."

Modern creationists put a lot of stress on Adam and Eve in the Garden. God's power of creation is mentioned a number of times in the Bible but the Adam and Eve story in Genesis 2 & 3 are not. I don't find that the Bible gives much support to the views I hear from creationists.

Here's a fact for you. The name "Eve" is only mentioned four times in the Bible. Interestingly enough, "Eve" occurs twice in the OT and twice in the NT. The OT doesn't mention her after the first part of Genesis. This is true in the KJV, the RSV, the NIV and many other translations. The following image is from the Blue Letter Bible after doing a search for "Eve."

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Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

 

[coffee4u]

Coffee4U: "She still had to answer for her own sin, so the punishment passes down but not the sin nature, that comes from Adam."


That doesn't make sense to me because the "sin nature" doesn't come from the body. I have talked to Christians (liberals?) who believe that at the moment of death, your soul disconnects from your body. Then your soul instantly becomes morally perfect, since the body is assumed to be the source of moral imperfection. As I said, that doesn't make sense to me. There is no promise in the Bible that we will become perfect at the moment of death.

the sinful nature gets passed down to us from adam through our fathers. This is why Jesus was without sin, he had no earthly father only an earthly mother.

I am not a liberal.
The sin nature is in your soul.
Romans 6:6



6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin—

The old self that got crucified on becoming a Christian wasn't our literal body, it was our soul. We would be dead if it was our flesh now, wouldn't we?

 

[coffee4u]

Coffee4U: "Also notice that creation bits and pieces are woven throughout scripture, it is not just in the book of Genesis."

Modern creationists put a lot of stress on Adam and Eve in the Garden. God's power of creation is mentioned a number of times in the Bible but the Adam and Eve story in Genesis 2 & 3 are not. I don't find that the Bible gives much support to the views I hear from creationists.

Here's a fact for you. The name "Eve" is only mentioned four times in the Bible. Interestingly enough, "Eve" occurs twice in the OT and twice in the NT. The OT doesn't mention her after the first part of Genesis. This is true in the KJV, the RSV, the NIV and many other translations. The following image is from the Blue Letter Bible after doing a search for "Eve."


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Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

More than 3 times. Sometimes her name isn't used. Anyway, why is it important how many times she is mentioned? She is talked about in Genesis (more than once) and then twice in the New Testament. S
Genesis 3:16

To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.”
We know it's Eve though.

2 Corinthians 11:3
But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.
A reference back to both Eve and what happened with Satan in the garden

1 Timothy 2:13-14
For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.

 

[Scott Husted]

I am not a creationist, but I have a question for the creationists.

When Eve picked the tangerine from the forbidden tree, and ate it, what if she had kept all the tangerines for herself? Instead of sharing the tangerines with Adam, she could have hidden them so that Adam couldn't find them. After eating the forbidden fruit, she could have been filled with the spirit of selfishness.

God comes for His visit. When God discovers the transgression, He would have found Eve to be guilty but Adam would still be innocent. The outcome would be that God would expel Eve from the Garden of Eden but Adam would still be left inside. I don't think this would work out. With Adam and Eve separated, there would be no human race.

The same result would come about if Adam had said, "Now, Eve, you know we aren't supposed to eat from that tree. We have plenty of other trees to eat from here." God would banish Eve from the Garden but not Adam, who would remain.

If God intended to create the human race, with millions of people, he would not have left this possibility. Yet, there it is.

The question is based on the the assumption that knowledge grows on a literal tree ...

 

[Radagast]

The same result would come about if Adam had said, "Now, Eve, you know we aren't supposed to eat from that tree. We have plenty of other trees to eat from here." God would banish Eve from the Garden but not Adam, who would remain.

We have no idea what God would have done in such a situation.

 

[Radagast]

Yes, I know God makes it look like he discovered it, but we know that God knows everything. Jesus tended to do the same.

Parents of young children often do exactly the same, e.g. pretending to find a hidden contraband item that they knew perfectly well was there.

The way little children underestimate their parents is a little like the way we underestimate God.

 

[chilehed]

When Eve picked the tangerine from the forbidden tree,...

This is absurd. Everyone knows that it was a mango.

 

[mmksparbud]

This is absurd. Everyone knows that it was a mango.

Furthermore---the tree of life that produce 12 different kinds of fruit??----it's 12 different kinds of mango!

 

[coffee4u]

Parents of young children often do exactly the same, e.g. pretending to find a hidden contraband item that they knew perfectly well was there.

The way little children underestimate their parents is a little like the way we underestimate God.

Exactly and nothing has changed.

I watched a family vlog where the child tried to blame Barbie for wrecking a book -we have been passing the buck since the garden as well.

 

[Lost4words]

The fruit was not a tangerine or any known fruit that we now eat. it was unique.

I beg to differ.

Apparently there was a sticker on it that said "Made in China".

 

[Maria Billingsley]

I am not a creationist, but I have a question for the creationists.

When Eve picked the tangerine from the forbidden tree, and ate it, what if she had kept all the tangerines for herself? Instead of sharing the tangerines with Adam, she could have hidden them so that Adam couldn't find them. After eating the forbidden fruit, she could have been filled with the spirit of selfishness.

God comes for His visit. When God discovers the transgression, He would have found Eve to be guilty but Adam would still be innocent. The outcome would be that God would expel Eve from the Garden of Eden but Adam would still be left inside. I don't think this would work out. With Adam and Eve separated, there would be no human race.

The same result would come about if Adam had said, "Now, Eve, you know we aren't supposed to eat from that tree. We have plenty of other trees to eat from here." God would banish Eve from the Garden but not Adam, who would remain.

If God intended to create the human race, with millions of people, he would not have left this possibility. Yet, there it is.

Why was the tree put there in the first place? To test Adam and Eve. They loved the forbidden fruit more than God. After all, God created man in order to have a relationship with them through His Holy Spirit. It would not matter even if Eve hid the fruit from Adam the fall would still apply. Man and woman are created equal. The trust was broken. Be blessed,

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

God gave us free will and we blew it from the start.

Omnipotent being creates intelligent and curious people with no life experience and forbids them one thing then leaves the forbidden thing in the middle of their habitat while adding agitator snake in to the mix.

As a test of free will with a future of the mankind in the balance this set up really looks like it was totally designed to fail.

Like saying trains have free will while the tracks have been laid to nearest gorge.

 

[mmksparbud]

Omnipotent being creates intelligent and curious people with no life experience and forbids them one thing then leaves the forbidden thing in the middle of their habitat while adding agitator snake in to the mix.

As a test of free will with a future of the mankind in the balance this set up really looks like it was totally designed to fail.

Like saying trains have free will while the tracks have been laid to nearest gorge.

They were told not to eat of it---that is all that was needed. It was either obey or not---they chose not to and to believe the snake instead of God. The train tracks forked up ahead, one track led to the gorge, one lead to the garden---they could see the garden, they could not see over the gorge. They still chose the gorge.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

They were told not to eat of it---that is all that was needed.

It is a myth of course. As omnipotent being God would of course have known what would happen in the set up He had created.

 

[mmksparbud]

It is a myth of course. As omnipotent being God would of course have known what would happen in the set up He had created.

Yes---and I knew my stepdaughter was going to end up pregnant by the way she was behaving---but it was not my wish that she ended up that way nor did I make it happen. I warned her against it.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

Yes---and I knew my stepdaughter was going to end up pregnant by the way she was behaving---but it was not my wish that she ended up that way nor did I make it happen. I warned her against it.

Bit silly analogy. You probably had no choice where your stepdaughter spent her time or which persons she interacted with.

God presumably could set the stage up any way He wished.

 

[mmksparbud]

Bit silly analogy. You probably had no choice where your stepdaughter spent her time or which persons she interacted with.

God presumably could set the stage up any way He wished.

It means she had a choice to make and I could not keep her from it.

God could do only what maintained free will. He does not force compliance.

 

[Mark Quayle]

I am not a creationist, but I have a question for the creationists.

When Eve picked the tangerine from the forbidden tree, and ate it, what if she had kept all the tangerines for herself? Instead of sharing the tangerines with Adam, she could have hidden them so that Adam couldn't find them. After eating the forbidden fruit, she could have been filled with the spirit of selfishness.

God comes for His visit. When God discovers the transgression, He would have found Eve to be guilty but Adam would still be innocent. The outcome would be that God would expel Eve from the Garden of Eden but Adam would still be left inside. I don't think this would work out. With Adam and Eve separated, there would be no human race.

The same result would come about if Adam had said, "Now, Eve, you know we aren't supposed to eat from that tree. We have plenty of other trees to eat from here." God would banish Eve from the Garden but not Adam, who would remain.

If God intended to create the human race, with millions of people, he would not have left this possibility. Yet, there it is.

The only thing that can possibly happen is whatever happens, as history shows us. Nothing else ever happens. What makes you think Even "could have" done anything but what she did?