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When does life begin?
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LunarPlexus
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I don't think you can feel pain until the brain is formed...but I'll research that.
I think if a foetus does feel pain in the early stages, it is similar to what a tree feels when one of its branches are ripped off. It feels it purely physically, it doesn't actually THINK about it and say 'No, no...why are you doing this to me?!?'
I think if they feel pain, they don't actually register it...but once again: maybe something I'll research.
Anyway...I hope that they don't suffer, but if they do I still consider that momentary pain fairly trivial next to the prospect of living life in a bad environment.
Ironically: my best friend is in labour at the moment! She's having a boy and I'm godmother.
She's 3 cm already, so after school I get to head to the hospital and film it.
I'm happy!
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wow that's a big topic you've brought up
Essentially the question is...is it better to exist but suffer, or not exist? What do you think?
Oh cool, congrats!
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Aye its sad but think of it this way..that embyro did not suffer at all, that;s better then most of us living can say
I don't know whether or not the embryo suffered...but I think that even though this world can be painful, there is still joy that's worth experiencing..and hope too, if you also believe that God will one day renew this fallen creation
for my part, I am glad that I was born, and even though I have not had a perfect life, the suffering I've experienced helped me grow...God uses all things for good. There are millions of people who have suffered much more than I have, and I can't speak for them, but there is a reason for each person's existence and .."Blessed are you who weep now, for you will laugh".
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LunarPlexus
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wow that's a big topic you've brought up
Essentially the question is...is it better to exist but suffer, or not exist? What do you think?
It is a question that requires a lot of thought, and it's not a black and white one. Have you ever read Watership Down?
If you have, you may remember the bit where they talk about how Frith designed the does so that if there was little chance of a good life for the kittens, she could take them back into her body.
I know that this is basically a case of god preventing a life that shouldn't be, and we take it into our own hands and make that decision ourselves, but I think that it is better to have never existed than live a life of horrible suffering.
But as I said, it is a VERY broad question.
Oh cool, congrats!
Thankyou!
I spent all Friday night at the hospital filming everything. I've never seen anything so scary and beautiful in my life! The minute he came out everyone in the room started crying. It was a difficult labour and VERY gory, but the baby is beautiful! His name is James and he was 8.4. I was so happy, I actually went down to the chapel and prayed.
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Phinehas2
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Life begins at conception, If conception occurs during sexual intercoure a baby will naturally result in most cases, if no conception occurs no baby will ever occur.
I say a baby is a life, This is a no brainer. As Christians we know that God's created purpose was man and woman in union to reproduce. We also knwo that God knows the person in the womb and at conception.
I say a baby is a life, This is a no brainer. As Christians we know that God's created purpose was man and woman in union to reproduce. We also knwo that God knows the person in the womb and at conception.
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[SIZE=+1] "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you."
Jeremiah 1:5
L[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]ife obviously begins before the formation in the womb. Clearly, it starts with the first thought of copulation.
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Jeremiah 1:5
L[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]ife obviously begins before the formation in the womb. Clearly, it starts with the first thought of copulation.
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LunarPlexus
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I actually think this is more a matter of god knowing the people who will actually become people.
I think if god knows you before you form in the womb, you are probably someone who is going to become a person and live life outside of the womb.
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HeartLineToYou
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The Bible tells us the life is in the blood...recently I heard that they know exactly when blood is first evident in an unborn child...and of course I can't remember when they said it was, but it seems like it was around 3 weeks. So, is abortion ok if it is done before the blood is formed? I will say a big maybe, because you are still thwarting God's plan for your life. and I like letting Him be in control...Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven!
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Calliso
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Well what if you got cancer or another disease? I imagine you would get it treated then huh? I imagine that you probably wouldn;t say God gave you cancer right? But for some reason when a woman gets pregnant it;s always Gods plan for her life.
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That's because a child is not a disease or cancer...it is a new life created by God. Could you ever tell your child that it was a disease or was like cancer? Would you like to be told that by your parents? Or to be told that you were just too much of an inconvenience????
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Calliso
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No I wouldn't but the point I was trying to make is people invoke the it;s Gods plan! stuff it seems all the time when it comes to women having babies..with anything else though it;s iffy.
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Creating us with procreative properties is and was God's plan. Sickness, disease and death was not God's plan...that came as a result of sin....
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Phinehas2
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What the Bible says is that the life in the blood is eternal life in the blood of Christ. Christ died as an atonement for sin and reconcilliation to God. One of the sins He died for is abortion, or the termination of life.
The life begins at conception. This is not only God's purpose in creating man and woman to be united as one flesh, but also makes natural, scientific and logical sense. No life will occur unless sperm and egg come together and then life may develop. Abortion terminates that potential. Its a no brain-er
The life begins at conception. This is not only God's purpose in creating man and woman to be united as one flesh, but also makes natural, scientific and logical sense. No life will occur unless sperm and egg come together and then life may develop. Abortion terminates that potential. Its a no brain-er
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That depends on how you define "life".
Your use of the word "potential"here is confusing, since potential means possible but not yet existent.
If life begins at conception and an embryo is fully human, then why use the word "potential"?
If an embryo is not fully human and only has the potential to become human, then why not also oppose contraception and abstinence, since they also destroy the potential?
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It's potential in that it will inevitably grow into self-sustenance unless it's environment in some way becomes unhospitable. The difference between post-conception and contraception/abstinence is that in the latter the joining of the sperm and egg has not happened yet, so the process has not started. An embryo is a potential self-sustained human being in the same way that a pre-pubescent child has the potential for reproduction. Assuming there are no outside factors that influence either to the negative, then all that is needed is time.
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Phinehas2
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Dear elcapitain,
Please refer to Jet_A_Jockey's response, this is correct.
Please refer to Jet_A_Jockey's response, this is correct.
No please re-read what I wrote, the life already exists at conception , 'the potential' is the life's ability to develop.
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lincolngreen50
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Life begins at conception when the egg is fertilised by the sperm and the egg divides.
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