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The OP question is pretty interesting if you think about it. When do the last days of anything end and the first days of the new state begin? Are we in the last days or the first days?
Anyway, your reply is fine. I was just thinking.
Jesus didn’t speak to them in Greek. He didn’t use a Greek word at all.Jesus only uses the word "parousia" in 1 chapter of the Gospels.....Matthew 24:
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Mount of Olives and Titus
Matthew 24:
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He is yet sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples toward-came to Him according to own, saying, `Tell us, when? shall these be
and what? the sign of Thy parousiaV <3952>,
and of the full-finish<sun-teleiaV <4930> of the Age?'
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for even as the lightning/star-flashes/astraph <796> comes-out from risings, and is appearing till of west,
thus shall be the parousia <3952> of the Son of the Man;
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For as even the days of the Noah thus shall be the parousia <3952> of the Son of the Man
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and not they know till came the flood and took/lifted all! away.
Thus shall be also the parousia <3952> of the Son of the Man.
Mark 13
3 And of sitting of Him into the Mount of the Olives over against the Temple,
Peter and James and John and Andrew inquired<1905> of Him according to own
4 Tell to us! when these shall be being?
and what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> these.
Luke 21:7
They inquire yet of Him saying “Teacher!
when then shall these be being?
And what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> these to becoming?
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2 Thessalonians 2:
1 - And we ask you, brethren, in regard to the parousiaV <3952> of our Lord Jesus Christ, and of our gathering together unto Him,
8 - and then shall be revealed the Lawless One, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the manifestation of His parousiaV <3952>,
2 Peter 3:4
and saying, 'Where is the promise of His parousiaV <3952>?
for since the fathers did fall asleep, all things so remain from the beginning of the creation;'
James 5
7 Be patient then brethren, till the parousiaV <3952> of the Lord;
behold the husbandman doth expect the precious fruit of the earth, being patient for it, till he may receive rain -- early and latter;
James 5
be ye patient! and stand-fast the hearts of ye,
that the parousia <3952> of the Lord has-neared/hggiken <1448> (5758);
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Good question!! Just thinking here and formulating... I think 2000 years of “last days” renders both words, last and days, meaningless. It’s like saying 10 years of last moments. In one way it’s true but it doesn’t really communicate anything and tends to communicate something untrue. The last days of a man are right before he dies. His whole life can sort of be seen as comprised of last days, but that is not what we mean by “last.”Yeah, what is your opinion on that question you presented?
I understand that. I’m asking how you calculate a month, or in this case “every month”, if as you say, time ceases to exist.Light comes from the Lord.
Agreed.Genesis spoke of the first days.
I wonder if when Rev speaks of no need for a “sun or moon” it doesn’t mean the ceasing of solar bodies but no government same as the Matt 24 warning was not about heavenly bodies but about governmental protection. We won’t need laws and governors who give the society form and freedom. Hence the “light” is righteousness we have from Him that will enlighten all. There will be no dark deeds nor men in darkness doing them. Just a thought.How do the trees there yield their fruit “every month” then, as we see them doing in Revelation 22:2??
I wonder if when Rev speaks of no need for a “sun or moon”
Hello, yes we're living in the last days as Peter mentioned..from that time to the time of the end where desolation is decreed where spoken by Prophet Daniel will be the last 7years of this world...Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Peter states he was living the in the last days. It appears the last days started during Peter's generation.
When do these last days end? Before the millenium, during the millenium, or after the millenium?
Happens before the Millenium as NO SINNERS lived during the 1000yrs Only the RIGHTEOUS with Their KING-
Hello, when Christ comes Only those who belong to Him whethere in grave or remain will gather unto Him- This is the first resurrection of the dead in Christ and gathering ofThe unsaved nations will be in the Millennium and will be ruled over by Christ and his immortal saints:
Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
That is the second coming.
Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
After "the end" comes, there is given power over the nations to those that are overcomers which naturally includes those who "are alive and remain" at the second coming. They will be given power over the nations.
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
After the second coming and after "the end" will the overcomers be given power over the nations, ruling them with a rod of iron. That proves the rod of iron rule over the nations does not even start until Christ has returned and has given overcomers this power to rule over the nations.
Hello, when Christ comes Only those who belong to Him whethere in grave or remain will gather unto Him- This is the first resurrection of the dead in Christ and gathering of
those belong to Him who are still alive 1corins 15:52, The rest those who does not belong to Him will be destroyed just as the AntiChrist is 2Thess2:8, 2Pet 3:10,11 tells that everything and the earth laid bare when it destroy by fire. So in verse 11 of 2Pet3 He ask us this question "Since EVERYTHING will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? Remember this is His coming and the event that goes with it and the things that destroy...
Rev2-26 does not refer to after His coming but BEFORE, in verse 26 those who does my will to the end- indicate that you can live an overcoming life (overcome from sin) at that particular moment to the end (when He comes) the end mark by His come when He destroy all dominion in this world 1corins15:24...
Rule with rod of iron I think is rule in Righteousness...Just as Christ
Thank you
ewq1938 said: ↑Sure I agree.
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Dorothy Mae said: ↑
Actually it is the end of the age, not world. The jews already knew about the end of the age and the age of the reign of the Messiah to follow. There is the sign of his coming in judgment on Jerusalem and the end of the Jewish Mosaic age. There were signs and many and all were fulfilled.
The second coming has no signs preceeding it same as the days of Noah had no signs whatsover that a flood was coming.
This is exactly what happened to those sitting there.
They fled to Panna, all the Christians in accordance with the fulfillment of thisMat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. They fled to Panna, all the Christians in accordance with the fulfillment of this. It saved them. It makes no sense at all to be in our future because while they could flee Jerusalem and it saved them, none of us live in Jerusalem and so we cannot flee it and where in the world would be go if the whole world is about to suffer? Fleeing makes no sense.Notice it is the sign of the son of man, not the son of man. And there was a sign. A sword hung over Jerusalem for one year, among other signs as described above.
The later verses describe the days before Jesus coming bodily as having no sign same as in the days of Noah when people were marrying and so on. Business as usual. No signs at all. The signs were for the the destruction of Jerusalem in firey judgement from which the believers needed to flee. They did.
That is what happened and will never happen again. It is over. It was for them, not for us.
LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
Jesus only uses the word "parousia" in 1 chapter of the Gospels.....Matthew 24:
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Mount of Olives and Titus
Matthew 24:
3
He is yet sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples toward-came to Him according to own, saying, `Tell us, when? shall these be
and what? the sign of Thy parousiaV <3952>,
and of the full-finish<sun-teleiaV <4930> of the Age?'
He didn't speak to them in English either.Jesus didn’t speak to them in Greek. He didn’t use a Greek word at all.
ewq1938 said: ↑
Sure I agree.
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Let's look at that in the Greek:
Mat 24:3Rev 14:15 and another Messenger did come forth out of the Sanctuary crying in a great voice to Him who is sitting upon the cloud, 'Send forth Thy sickle and reap, because come to thee hath the hour of reaping, because ripe hath been the harvest of the land;' 16 and He who is sitting upon the cloud did put forth his sickle upon the land, and the land was reaped.
Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Peter states he was living the in the last days. It appears the last days started during Peter's generation.
When do these last days end? Before the millenium, during the millenium, or after the millenium?
According to my Bible commentaries, the last days began with Pentecost, basically referencing the Church Age.
The unsaved nations will be in the Millennium and will be ruled over by Christ and his immortal saints:
Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
That is the second coming.
Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
After "the end" comes, there is given power over the nations to those that are overcomers which naturally includes those who "are alive and remain" at the second coming. They will be given power over the nations.
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
After the second coming and after "the end" will the overcomers be given power over the nations, ruling them with a rod of iron. That proves the rod of iron rule over the nations does not even start until Christ has returned and has given overcomers this power to rule over the nations.
And the people, during that time, continue to be born, require food and shelter, grow up, get married, procreate, grow old and die, right? (Isaiah 65:17-23). There is No saved and unsaved living side by side at that time Only the RIGHTEOUS will be with their King that will be for the Millenium
Hello Dave.A close examination of Acts 2:15-17 and Joel 2:28-32 shows that Joel's prophecy has a dual purpose. The first part of each is satisfied by Pentecost. The second part is yet to be finished.
It's important to not conflate last days with the Day of the Lord. According to my Bible commentaries, the last days began with Pentecost, basically referencing the Church Age. The Day of the Lord references the beginning of the tribulation, some time after the rapture, which then encompasses the Great Tribulation.
So, by inference, I believe the last days end with the rapture of the church; which is before the millennium.
A close examination of Acts 2:15-17 and Joel 2:28-32 shows that Joel's prophecy has a dual purpose. The first part of each is satisfied by Pentecost. The second part is yet to be finished.
The Day of the Lord references the beginning of the tribulation, some time after the rapture, which then encompasses the Great Tribulation.
Both the 1st part and 2nd part of Isaiah 61:2 was fulfilled in the 1st century.......including the Great City in Revelation....A close examination of Acts 2:15-17 and Joel 2:28-32 shows that Joel's prophecy has a dual purpose. The first part of each is satisfied by Pentecost. The second part is yet to be finished.
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