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When did you reject EGW, IJ and 1844 (ex-sda, PSDA and ESDA's sda only NO C/TSDA )
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I never felt right in the way that I was brought into the church. I was told right away that I was not ready for baptism and that I would need to first go through these classes. That should have been my first clue but I was so eager to further my new relationship with God that I went ahead with it. My next shocker was learning about this prophet and 1844 just 24 hours before my baptism. I cant help but question why that didnt come up in the weeks that I was studying with them. It took me several years to make the connection between what I was taught and where it came from. That feels wrong to me. Next came the baptismal vows, dont get me started on those. I made a silent vow instead to study my Bible then study the church and its materials. The bottom line is that I read my Bible and things did not line up when I started studying the church doctrine. I went to several members of the church to get answers, and the very few responses that I got were not satisfying. In my last meeting I asked how we could support EGW when she endorsed false prophecies to begin with. The answer, "She wasnt a prophet then". I cant accept that! Ive recently made the decision to leave. I have quit going to church. Its been maybe three months now. Some members have been more kind than others. No one has asked for my reasons. My own family have been terrible, screaming at me that since I am leaving the church I must no longer love the Lord. Its been a rough road and I get the feeling this is just the beginning. So this is my story so far. I appreciate some of what I got from the church, but its time to move on and grow into something a little more biblically sound. Thanks for asking! 
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I never felt right in the way that I was brought into the church. I was told right away that I was not ready for baptism and that I would need to first go through these classes. That should have been my first clue but I was so eager to further my new relationship with God that I went ahead with it. My next shocker was learning about this prophet and 1844 just 24 hours before my baptism. I cant help but question why that didnt come up in the weeks that I was studying with them. It took me several years to make the connection between what I was taught and where it came from. That feels wrong to me. Next came the baptismal vows, dont get me started on those. I made a silent vow instead to study my Bible then study the church and its materials. The bottom line is that I read my Bible and things did not line up when I started studying the church doctrine. I went to several members of the church to get answers, and the very few responses that I got were not satisfying. In my last meeting I asked how we could support EGW when she endorsed false prophecies to begin with. The answer, "She wasnt a prophet then". I cant accept that! Ive recently made the decision to leave. I have quit going to church. Its been maybe three months now. Some members have been more kind than others. No one has asked for my reasons. My own family have been terrible, screaming at me that since I am leaving the church I must no longer love the Lord. Its been a rough road and I get the feeling this is just the beginning. So this is my story so far. I appreciate some of what I got from the church, but its time to move on and grow into something a little more biblically sound. Thanks for asking!
Hi, Dagna, and welcome to CF. I'm a former Adventist, as of about six months ago. You're welcome to come to the new Progressive/Moderate/Former Adventist Forum and join in the discussions there.
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i enjoyed the post that ive read so far...ive got some difficult "doctrinal" problems to work out..I was raised baptist..got out of church...started going to SDA revaltion seminars..BAM im back in the game..this is where my "journey" started..i attended the SDA church for a few months..soaking up everything i heard..from prophecies..to the atonement..Gods divorcement of Israel..the sabbath..Then i started praying that God would lead me into the true perfect doctrine he intended for us to follow...i know hes not the God of confusion so i had faith he would guide me..I didnt think to much of EGW, especially since they title her the "Greatest Prophet" i was skeptical and never really bought into it....About 2 months ago i left the SDA church and felt relieved..like a burden was off my shoulders....So i started to go to a baptist church with my family, i enjoyed it..i was above average in scripture knowledge for that particular church, so i was able to take some leadership rolls with teens... However i think that evangelicals are just as equally wrong as SDA. I dont believe in pre trib rapture..i believe in keeping the sabbath..for one because God instituted it before Sin, and his covenant with Israel..plus in Isaiah it says we will keep the sabbath in new jerusalem..up until about a week ago i thought that Isreal was still Gods chosen people because i thought Romans 11 clarified that, however an SDA deacon give me a book called "Isreal, the great delusion"..something like that..i am a chapter from being done with the book and their are some great arguments based on scripture that i couldnt refute..and i havnt seen an evangelical argument as thorough that points to israel still being his inheritance...im not partial to the SDA at all..however i feel some of their beliefs are more in line then other denominations...The deacon that give me the book is also starting to do in depth studies of the tabernacle..before to long the issue of atonement will be talked about and i hope to gain more insight.....sorry if this post wasnt as organized as you had hoped..i pray that we all come to the truth
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Welcome!
I'm still reexamining some Adventist beliefs to see if I can agree with them or not. I don't accept Ellen White as a prophet anymore, and I don't agree with the Adventist sanctuary teaching. I no longer believe that the Sabbath was a creation ordinance or that it is binding on Christians. I do still agree with the Adventist teaching that the wicked will be destroyed in the final judgment, not tortured forever in hell, but I'm kind of doubtful about the Adventist view of death. Like you, I have a few problems with the beliefs of some evangelical churches. I don't believe in a pre-trib rapture either.
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Shortly after I came to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ, I attended one of those SDA Revelation Seminars myself. Okay, part of it.
During the third evening of the week-long seminar, I heard the Spirit of God telling me to get up and get out. At that time, I didn't have a clue why I should do so.
That was 25 years ago.
I understand why now Father didn't want me being a part of the SDA church.
Suffice to say that Father knows how to lead His own, and this sounds like an integral part of your testimony, as well.
The differences are likely to be differences in non-salvic things regarding eschatology.
Agreed. I studied my way out of the pre-trib rapture by determining it to coincide with the resurrection on the Day of the LORD, the second advent of Messiah.
There was no sabbath ordinance before the Manna recorded in Exodus 16, when Israel came out of Egypt. The SDA explanation is that Genesis records a sabbath at creation, but looking at the texts will show that this isn't so. Genesis 2:2-3 shows that God rested on the seventh day of creation (and on that one day only) and no one else rested. Hebrews 4 expands on this singular rest and compares it to the one time Joshua led Israel into the promised land. God's one-time rest that He entered into is the cessation of our labors and entering into His rest for eternity. Sabbath days repeat weekly and annually; God's rest that we enter into by belief never comes to an end.
The covenant that Hebrews 10:9 tells us was taken away to establish the second (new) covenant was at Sinai, and was the Mosaic covenant.
What was that covenant taken away?
The ten commandments.
Exodus 34:27-28
27: And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.
28: And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
Deuteronomy 4:12-13
12: And the LORD spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice.
13: And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
In essence, the ten commandments were the old testament, another word for covenant.
Check that quote from Isaiah 66:23, and see that the sabbath is simply a marking of the passage of time, just as the monthly new moons. There isn't an ordinance to keep a sabbath that has been done away with by redemption from the law mediated by Moses.
The SDA "prophet", Ellen White, published in 1851 that old Jerusalem would never be rebuilt.
That doesn't quite line up with the expectation Jesus had of Jerusalem literally returning to the Jews at a time undefined in His statement from Luke 21:24:
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Be sure to ask that deacon why SDA fundamental belief #9 tells them that the atonement at Calvary was called a "perfect atonement", and therefore how come atonement can be perfect if there is a "second and final phase of atonement" that 1844 supposedly brings. Perfection needs nothing added to it, and the IJ you'll be introduced to came as an apology for 1844, a date in which nothing happened. That is what SDA Fundamental Belief #24 asserts, contradicting #9.
Unlike differences regarding the pre-trib rapture theory, atonement is a salvic doctrine. The SDA church denies an atonement that is complete.
Ellipses aren't good replacements for paragraphs, but I understood your overall post just fine
As Sophia mentioned, please join us on the progressive Adventist forum under "conregations". And, welcome to the zoo!
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What are the problems with the sanctuary message? Its quite plain and logical to me.
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Do you define or use the sanctuary model as taught by Adventist as your plumb line?
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We've discussed the problems with the sanctuary doctrine in lots of other threads.
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Do you understand the sanctuary message as taught by SDAism including the cleansing and judgment in 1844 as representing how a person is saved?
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