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When did you decide to become a creationist?
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thaumaturgy
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Usual religious response: retreat to an unfalsifiable claim.
Those countries Pete found in the study that are more religious have problems, ergo you assume they must not be doing something right or things would be going better for them. How do you know that? Why because things are bad for them! QED.
That's circular.
Why does your money have to have God's name all over it? Does it make all purchases holy and rendered unto God?
Do you think God is sitting up in heaven thinking, "well, there's $3.4 trillion worth of currency going around on this continent, but only $1.2 billion has MY HOLY NAME on it...I better start to smitin'!"
This lust to have the name of your God on everything you deal with, be it money or state symbols, just smacks of superstition.
It's a child-like throwback. We have to keep reminding God we love him as a nation. So we have to plaster his holy name on everything! Hey, you! You don't have God's Holy name on your CAR! Better fix that. He's watching, you know.
It's silliness.
And what about those of us who are athiests? Why do we have to have God on currency? It presumably costs just a wee bit extra to have the words carved in the intaglio presses that make our money. I don't want to pay for your superstitions.
I don't want to have my tax dollars support christians' hilltop crosses. I don't want my taxdollars to go to anything that will make the HINDUS, JEWS or MUSLIMS in our country feel like OUTSIDERS.
I'm not saying you can't take a big ol' marker and write God's name all over everything you have, and I'm not saying you can't take some housepaint and paint just a ton of crosses on YOUR car with YOUR MONEY, YOUR TIME, YOUR EFFORT, but I don't want to support that.
Oh yeah, and since we're talking science, I don't want your superstition and myths plastered into the science texts. The texts used to teach the next generation about science. I will have to rely on them being good scientists, not good ministers.
On the flipside:
I've got a few unsupported beliefs of my own that you wouldn't agree with, are you willing to pony up some of your cash to support those? Because right now I'm paying for those all by myself.
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Overuse of resources can dry them up. No deity required.
Like what?
We have been going against Islamic law our entire history. Why isn't that bad?
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thaumaturgy
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My gosh! You're right! If we've been a Christian nation and we wound up with so much bad (crime, disease, etc.) then maybe we should assume we've been doing it all wrong all these years!
Maybe we need to become Muslims. No, wait, what about Hindus? I mean, I don't know about YOU, but I've never once offered a meal to Krishna!
Oh my! This is going to take some time, a lot of resources and a huge amount of effort. In the interim we might consume all our resources minting coins with all the various gods' names on them, but sooner or later I'm sure we'll hit on the right one and the blessings will flow like water!
Stop industry right now! We're gonna need all hands on deck for this.
Risk= a LOT
Benefits = a LOTTER (we think)
Cost = An even huger lotter
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I have a few unsupported beliefs as well, any chance I could throw them in for a few bucks?
Are you suggesting that creationism and Christianity might not be the one true religion?
and I've invested my whole life in it, if only I'd known, what would God say about me switching?
but how am I going to know if I've switched to the right one?
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I can safely take the blank to mean a big fat NO then,
if that's the case, forget the money, just include my beliefs in those science books.
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thaumaturgy
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Sure! Why not? If we get enough of the altogether we can write a holy book and establish a religion.
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I'm sorry, Pete, I haven't read the study yet, I will try to get to it tomorrow. Just got home from work after being gone for two days. I tried to go on tonight but I just cracked up when I saw the title ...
Cross-National Correlations of Quantifiable Societal Health with Popular Religiosity and Secularism in the Prosperous Democracies
... and knew I wouldn't be able to get through it. I will try tomorrow (I think) and get back to you.
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thaumaturgy
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I can see why you'd crack up. It's a pretty funny title! It uses all sorts of big funny words.
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thaumaturgy
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Someone needs a hug!
Someone needs a defensible claim, facts or a desire that wouldn't violate the Categorical Imperative.
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NailsII
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As evolution is a continous process, all fossils are transitional forms.
Say goodbye to the straw-man.
Hi Inan, how's things?
I've neglected the thread you set up in GA for me about the bilical rules (Bear put me off by bersting you for putting it in the wrong area...duh!)
Anyway, God must have blessed the Saudi's by giving them so much black gold they can sell it everywhere and to everyone....
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thaumaturgy
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Sure 'nuff. And guess what religion they are! Well, at least they have a religion.
And what about the Chinese? They hold the real power over the U.S. If they decided to dump their U.S. currency holdings right now, they'd be able to destroy our economy in just a few hours.
Frankly, I'd much rather live in one of those evil secular democracies in Europe. What with the universal healthcare so their members don't have to live in abject horror of becoming ill, and their completely decadent social programs.
Those evil beasts are such monsters!
If only they had God.
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thaumaturgy
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Apparently you are going on very little sleep. Maybe when you get a good 8 hours of shut-eye you'll bother to propose an actual meaningful response to posts like Loudmouth's.
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Bear! (said as Jerry Seinfeld would say "Newman")
No offense Bear.
Oh no God has another purpose for that oil. Besides you can tell when a country is blessed of God, it becomes a blessing to others. Saudi's aren't out to bless anyone but themselves.
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