When did the Sabbath stop being holy?

[Lionroot]

The Bible says:
Gen 2:2-3
2 And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done. 3 So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.
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So that leads me to two questions:

1) What does "holy" mean in this context?

2) When did it stop being holy?

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Jud 1:3
Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.

 

[bbbbbbb]

The Bible says:
Gen 2:2-3
2 And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done. 3 So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.
? ESV

So that leads me to two questions:

1) What does "holy" mean in this context?

2) When did it stop being holy?

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Jud 1:3
Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.

I take umbrage with your implication that the Sabbath has ever ceased being holy. To this day God's covenant people, the Jews, go to great effort to hallow the seventh day and we who are in Christ and have entered into His rest are enjoying a perpetual Sabbath, having ceased from our works and having entered into His rest as a result of His eternal work for our salvation.

 

[Lionroot]

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That is perhaps a legitimate answer. Could you give an answer to question number one. I need to know what you think it means to be "holy", in the context of the Genesis text I quoted, in order to understand your answer.

Thanks and God Bless

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Jud 1:3
Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Holy means 'separated or set apart for sacred purposes.' This is how a pot or a shovel used in the Tabernacle could be called 'holy.'

So the sabbath has a sacred purpose. Perhaps that purpose is only a reminder of His creative acts. Or perhaps it is a demonstration to the world that even God ceases from laboring, that sometimes you have to stop and smell the roses.

I can see no reason it should have stopped being holy.

 

[effervescenteye]

Sabbath-keeping and oh-so-many more commandments have been 'explained away' in order to make life easier. 613 commandments is too many, so we truncate God's Will however we see fit in order to make Him more convenient and pleasing to our baneful hearts.

As we do this, we presume to know better than God and seek to 'exalt ourselves a throne above the stars of God.'
. . .sounds a lot like Isaiah 14—that's weird.

 

[bbbbbbb]

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That is perhaps a legitimate answer. Could you give an answer to question number one. I need to know what you think it means to be "holy", in the context of the Genesis text I quoted, in order to understand your answer.

Thanks and God Bless

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Jud 1:3
Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.

I agree with the definition that Steve Peterson provided in the post #4. It means to set apart or to sanctify.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Sabbath-keeping and oh-so-many more commandments have been 'explained away' in order to make life easier. 613 commandments is too many, so we truncate God's Will however we see fit in order to make Him more convenient and pleasing to our baneful hearts.

As we do this, we presume to know better than God and seek to 'exalt ourselves a throne above the stars of God.'
. . .sounds a lot like Isaiah 14—that's weird.

Out of curiosity, how many of the 613 commandments do you keep?

 

[effervescenteye]

Out of curiosity, how many of the 613 commandments do you keep?

Not enough. It takes an entire lifetime to figure-out and walk in Yah's ways. We either take one step after another, or we just stand there and stare at our shoes.

I myself have been putting-off burning the cities of the idolators. I couldn't help but laugh at the irony of our sultry jezebel—the nation of Israel—sending aid to Haiti after the quake.

 

[effervescenteye]

That is not to say that we should literally "burn the cities of the idolators," but Talmudic Israel holds steadfast to literal interpretations, so that is from where the irony rises.

If you look closely, motifs and symbolism abound in the Scripture, and you'll find that the mitzvot are mostly not to be read so literally. God, however, on Mt. Sinai is quite explicit with those 10, and Sabbath-keeping is very important to Him.

To set-apart one day for rest inherently declares the other 6 as labor for Him. When you observe the Sabbath, you become more aware Him, His Will and the Great Work for which we must make ourselves instruments as we live the other 6.

 

[Lionroot]

Holy mean 'separated or set apart for sacred purposes.' This is how a pot or a shovel used in the Tabernacle could be called 'holy.'

So the sabbath has a sacred purpose. Perhaps that purpose is only a reminder of His creative acts. Or perhaps it is a demonstration to the world that even God ceases from laboring, that sometimes you have to stop and smell the roses.

I can see no reason it should have stopped being holy.

Okay. That is certainly the simple answer, but how?

So if the Sabbath is "set apart" or "separated", then what does that look like prior to Moses?

bbbbbb - I would ask the same of you, since you agreed with Mr. Peterson

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Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.

 

[Steve Petersen]

There is no answer to that question outside of Jewish tradition.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Not enough. It takes an entire lifetime to figure-out and walk in Yah's ways. We either take one step after another, or we just stand there and stare at our shoes.

I myself have been putting-off burning the cities of the idolators. I couldn't help but laugh at the irony of our sultry jezebel—the nation of Israel—sending aid to Haiti after the quake.

How do you hope to keep the laws related to the obligatory Temple sacrifices?

 

[Freedom63]

Sabbath-keeping and oh-so-many more commandments have been 'explained away' in order to make life easier. 613 commandments is too many, so we truncate God's Will however we see fit in order to make Him more convenient and pleasing to our baneful hearts.

As we do this, we presume to know better than God and seek to 'exalt ourselves a throne above the stars of God.'
. . .sounds a lot like Isaiah 14—that's weird.

Apparently the Apostle Paul also thought he knew better than God for he exalted himself so highly he declared the entire law of God dead and nailed to the cross with Christ.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Okay. That is certainly the simple answer, but how?

So if the Sabbath is "set apart" or "separated", then what does that look like prior to Moses?

bbbbbb - I would ask the same of you, since you agreed with Mr. Peterson

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Jud 1:3
Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.

I think the best answer is that we do not know. From the seventh day of creation to the institution of the commandments on Mount Sinai scripture is really quite silent on the issue. For example, we do know that Abraham instituted the practice of circumcision, but nothing is said in regard to him observing the Sabbath.

Thus, we are left with arguments from silence.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Thus, we are left with arguments from silence.

Arguments from SCRIPTURAL silence.

 

[Superfast]

The Sabbath Rest of Hebrews 4​

There are many Sabbaths that did not occur on the 7th day so the word Sabbath should not be limited to the narrow meaning of 7th day only as some teach, it means to rest, to cease from work. The true Sabbath was not just a rest one day in seven but involved a complete change of life. All the feast days were instructions for Israel, but they were also types and shadows of something that was to come. All the feast days had relevance to doctrinal instruction, they were types and shadows of something that was to come. The Sabbath day rest was a shadow and a type. In Christ the type is done away. In Israel’s Sabbath they did not have to prepare anything but only rest at home and enjoy God provision. This is a type of Christ in that He did the work for us and we enter into His rest. Instead of the continuing sacrifices of animals, he became “ the lamb of God” offered for the sin of the world only once. Instead of going to a high priest at the temple to represent us, we have the great high priest who entered the Holy place once and for all. In place of literal circumcision, he gave the cutting off of the flesh, a circumcision “that is of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter”( Rom.2:28-29). Instead of Sabbath observance each week , he incorporated a day to rest from our works in the rest of God.


This we see why God could not give us any one day of the week as a Sabbath (rest). We've 'entered into' and are to 'remain in' His rest. This, Israel could not do having only a shadow of the true substance which came later, which we now enjoy. God sent the Holy Spirit on Sunday (Pentecost), to accomplish that rest which was apprehended in Christ. 1,500 years before this event the Sabbath was given for Israel, 1,500 years later the church was given the comforter, the Spirit, God himself, who gives us the promises of God and the true rest promised.

Entering the True Sabbath Rest

we are told not to observe days, months etc. Sabbath is a day, it's not just saturday it's also feast days as well. this is what I beleive Gal. 4.10-11 is refering to.

Galatians 4:10-11 Ye observe days, and months, and seasons, and years. I am afraid of you, lest by any means I have bestowed labor upon you in vain.

If one is going to insist that one has to go to church on saturday cause it's the sabbath, then that same person logically would have to insist that one has to go to church on the OT feast days, which are sabbaths as well. Which leads to the conclusion that even modern day sabbitarians do not completely observe the OT sabbath commandments, (excluding orthodox Jews perhaps).
At any rate, which is better, to go to church on saturday, or have entered into the true sabbath rest? We are commanded to labour to enter into that true rest or sabbath, that should be our ultimate goal to one day enter into that true rest. It's a day that is comming soon.

 

[Steve Petersen]

At any rate, which is better, to go to church on saturday, or have the true sabbath rest, which is Jesus?

They are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Superfast]

They are not mutually exclusive.

being a sabbitarian doesnt make one a christian or exclude one from being a christian, IMO. My point was is that it is far far more important to labour to enter into the true, or sabbath rest that God has for his people , than which day one goes to church.

Hebrews 4:9-11 There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works, as God did from his. Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that rest, that no man fall after the same example of disobedience.

 

[Ronald]

Okay. That is certainly the simple answer, but how?

So if the Sabbath is "set apart" or "separated", then what does that look like prior to Moses?

The Ten Commandments were given to the Jews (along with the other 603 laws). These people could not keep these laws. The Sabbath had 250+ laws alone. They struggled to keep it holy and could not. They still struggle and can not. It was and is a burden that many still carry. As slaves, they worked 7 days a week without a day of rest so it was ordained especially for them to get in the habit of not working and putting a day aside to meditate on God in prayer and rest ... to stay grounded and not lose focus.
These commandments were given so that we could know what sin is.
What did sin look like before Moses? Sin reined throughout the world. The Sabbath therefore was not separate from any other day before Moses.

Jesus brought the New covenant, by GRACE through faith, fulfilled the Law and so now we live by faith, not by works of the Law (since no one could keep them anyways). He is our Sabbath rest. We are in Christ, sanctified (separated from sin), made holy by His work, not any work of our own. We are to pray (talk to God) continuously, live faithfully everyday in communion with the Holy Spirit, Who lives in our temple. BTW, Jesus worked on the Sabbath, healing and allowing His disciples to gather food as well. The Pharisees criticized Him for breaking the laws of the Sabbath and Jesus said, I am the Lord of the Sabbath! (Matt. 12:8)
Whenever Moses laws are read, a veil spiritually covers your eyes so you are blind. Whenever the Gospel is preached and believed, the veil is lifted so one can see. Imposing Sabbath laws or any other laws is going backwards to the Old Covenant which was given to that nation. This was never intended for Christians. We don't have to carry those burdens anymore -- Jesus took them away.

 

[effervescenteye]

I think the best answer is that we do not know

AMEN!

Regarding Known Knowns
"[T]here are known knowns; there are things we know we know.
We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know."
—Donald Rumsfeld, 2002

The slice of knowledge above is one of the only known knowns in the world. If you do not know that you do not know very much, then you shall likely never know anything at all.

We mere men tend to conform the known unknowns of the world to our currently held beliefs, to try and make sense of them, but when we do, we must take care not to presume those ideas to become inherent to knowledge—we mustn't presume them to suddenly become known knowns. As we presume to know a thing, that thing becomes an unknown unknown once more, and it's those, the unknown unknowns, that arise and [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] us up.

Men compare new knowledge against the known knowns that each maintains. Since these are known to be known, we compare new information against them. If a new idea contradicts our known knowledge, then the only logical response is to reject that new idea as errant and flawed.

This works perfectly well when we actually know that we know what we know [sic]. However, problems crop-up very suddenly and with great force when we incorporate a faulty belief into our pool of knowledge, that which "we know that we know."

When this happens, men consider this faulty belief a known known, and no matter how seemingly insignificant this untruth might appear, collateral damage will be found in the course of its wake. To presume to know just one existential lie propels men into a slow downward spiral of delusional ideology and—eventually—psychosis.

In time, new and genuine knowledge will be forsaken in order to maintain that faulty belief. To protect the comfort in unwisely presuming to know that he knows a thing, a man will soon require reinforcement—from himself and others.

These men most often seek others; through whom they may spread their untruths as they falsely presume to learn of the other known knowns, which have been "hidden" from them by those not in this collective delusion of knowledge. From here, we incorporate further faulty beliefs into our spoiled pool of "working knowledge," each belief situated proximally to—and in agreement with—the first faultily held belief.

Each of these men and each of these beliefs serve only to reinforce the originally mistaken known known. Soon enough, his pool of knowledge has become a swamp of lies. At this point, faulty beliefs must be rectified. The easiest way to cope is to keep incorporating more lies, piling lie upon lie, which causes the psychosis.

Epistemological psychosis starts with feeling dissociated from the world and the people in it. Feelings of dissociation arise from the fact that so few others maintain not only this initial faulty-belief but also every other that arises subsequently. The world around him will turn, despite a stark contrast to what he now believes.

There are two ways for this to play-out. At best, the man will purge all presumed 'known knowns' from his pool of knowledge— every last drop, recognizing that there is not much for us to know that we know with any kind of certainty. At worst, he continues to suggest these faulty beliefs to the other men—those of weaker minds subscribe and become infected. The man does so in order to not only ascribe a sort of credence to his own delusions but to escape his loneliness. The man does start to feel better, but this is temporary since he fails to see the faults in himself; he starts this psychotic spiral in another as he truly believes in his heart that he is enlightening his fellow men.

Dissociation becomes loneliness, which grows frustrated and becomes anger. Anger leads to rage, where uncontrollable and irrational rage is insanity. Egos will construct a false reality most readily. Despite the energy required to spin and maintain an ever-increasingly complex web of falsehood, egos prefer—and have prepared themselves—to exhaust their energy before admitting flaws—which, to the ego, is akin to death.

In atheism, ego-death and death proper are one in the same, for atheism imparts a rather unique power to the ego. After spinning a webs of lies, deep within, the ego knows that it only truly knows itself. To that end, self-preservation and the pursuit of momentary pleasure now comprise the entirety of reality and enslave life to its very flawed, broken and self-serving agendas.

Although we may know Him, we may not yet know that we know Him. To presume to know that you know God is to conform Him to our preconceptions. Although some are more misguided than others, they're usually false—efforts to conform Him to our will, where it ought to work in the reverse. When we presume to know that we know Him before we actually do, He stays just as He is but now becomes an Unknown Unknown, waiting to arise and [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] us up.

Beknow God as the greatest Known Unknown—that's what faith is for. Faith has no place where He is truly known and known to be known. Form ideas about Him and His will—think upon Him all the time, but do not presume to know that you know God beyond knowing that you do not know His plans for you—a known unknown.

Regardless, all that I know is that I know very little.
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