When did the church which is Christ’s body begin? Study series. Lesson#1 Israel’s position of preeminence in Gods Kingdom.

[Antonio39]

When did the church which is Christ’s body begin? Study series.

Lesson#1 Israel’s position of preeminence in Gods Kingdom over the rest of the Nations.

The first thing I would like to establish among the different positions held concerning the creation of the body of Christ, is Israel’s place in scripture; and what exactly is the inheritance that has been allotted to Israel, and what was the hope of the people of the nation when we open the N.T, in fulfillment of their covenanted promises, for we know that ever jot and title of Gods word will come to fulfillment!

In the call of Abram, God promised to make of him a great nation, and bless him, and make his name great, and he shall be a blessing. God would bless those who bless him (Abram) and curse those who curse him, and in Abram all the families of the earth shall be blessed (Gen.12:1-3).

In this foundational scripture there are many layers of meaning that are progressively revealed through God’s word, especially by our Apostle Paul, to which we will save for a later study as we progress.

While all blessing is centered in Christ, the seed of Abraham, I would like to look at the specifics of the greatness mentioned here, and the blessing that will be received by the nations for blessing Israel, along with the cures that will be received for cursing Israel, we find this to be the meaning as we follow this theme. The scriptures below show the position of preeminence Israel has in God’s kingdom over the rest of the nations of the earth.

That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the seashore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;(Gen.22:17-18)

Let peoples serve you, And nations bow down to you. Be master over your brethren, And let your mother’s sons bow down to you. Cursed be everyone who curses you, And blessed be those who bless you!” (Gen.26:29)

Judah, your brothers shall praise you. Your hand shall be on the necks of your enemies; your father’s sons shall bow down to you. Judah is a young lion—my son, you return from the prey. Like a lion he crouches and lies down; like a lioness, who dares to rouse him? The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the staff from between his feet, until Shiloh comes, and the allegiance of the nations is his. (Gen.49:8-10)

Here we have the blessing of the firstborn right which concerns abundant life and a position of preeminence; this spiritual blessing is passed down through the patriarch and would find its fulfillment in Gods Kingdom, the nation of Israel has the first born right over all the nations of the earth, when Christ returns to establish the kingdom of God, He will rule through the nation, for Israel is heir of Gods Kingdom over the nations (). When Christ returns, Israel will shine with glory of God, and all nations shall go to Israel, who will be a kingdom of priests that will bring the truth of God to a lost would, and minister between God and the nations. The nations shall tithe to Israel with the gift offerings of riches, blessing Israel and bowing down in obeisance.

Strangers will stand and feed your flocks, and foreigners will be your plowmen and vinedressers.6But you will be called the priests of the LORD; they will speak of you as ministers of our God; you will feed on the wealth of nations, and you will boast in their riches.7Instead of shame, My people will have a double portion, and instead of humiliation, they will rejoice in their share; and so they will inherit a double portion in their land, and everlasting joy will be theirs.8For I, the LORD, love justice; I hate robbery and iniquity; in My faithfulness I will give them their recompense and make an everlasting covenant with them.9Their descendants will be known among the nations, and their offspring among the peoples. All who see them will acknowledge they are a people the LORD has blessed.10I will rejoice greatly in the LORD, my soul will exult in my God; for He has clothed me with garments of salvation and wrapped me in a robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom wears a priestly headdress, as a bride adorns herself with her jewels.11For as the earth brings forth its growth, and as a garden enables seed to spring up, so the Lord GOD will cause righteousness and praise to spring up before all the nations.



1 “Arise, shine, for your light has come, and the glory of the LORD rises upon you.2 See, darkness covers the earth and thick darkness is over the peoples, but the LORD rises upon you and his glory appears over you.3 Nations will come to your light, and kings to the brightness of your dawn.4 “Lift up your eyes and look about you: All assemble and come to you; your sons come from afar, and your daughters are carried on the hip.5 Then you will look and be radiant, your heart will throb and swell with joy; the wealth on the seas will be brought to you, to you the riches of the nations will come 6 Herds of camels will cover your land, young camels of Midian and Ephah. And all from Sheba will come, bearing gold and incense and proclaiming the praise of the LORD.7 All Kedar’s flocks will be gathered to you, the rams of Nebaioth will serve you; they will be accepted as offerings on my altar, and I will adorn my glorious temple.8 “Who are these that fly along like clouds, like doves to their nests?9 Surely the islands look to me; in the lead are the ships of Tarshish, bringing your children from afar, with their silver and gold, to the honor of the LORD your God, the Holy One of Israel, for he has endowed you with splendor.10 “Foreigners will rebuild your walls, and their kings will serve you. Though in anger I struck you, in favor I will show you compassion.11 Your gates will always stand open, they will never be shut, day or night, so that people may bring you the wealth of the nations— their kings led in triumphal procession.12 For the nation or kingdom that will not serve you will perish; it will be utterly ruined.13 “The glory of Lebanon will come to you, the juniper, the fir and the cypress together, to adorn my sanctuary; and I will glorify the place for my feet.14 The children of your oppressors will come bowing before you; all who despise you will bow down at your feet and will call you the City of the LORD, Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

22This is what the Lord GOD says: “Behold, I will lift My hand to the nations, and raise My banner to the peoples. They will bring your sons in their arms and carry your daughters on their shoulders.23Kings will be your foster fathers, and their queens your nursing mothers. They will bow to you face down and lick the dust at your feet. Then you will know that I am the LORD; those who hope in Me will never be put to shame.”

These scriptures will find their full consummation in Israels kingdom: note the greatness of the nation, in being a great multitude, as well as the blessed preeminent firstborn position, all nations will pour unto Israel paying homage to the nation, with gifts of tribute knowing that the God of Israel, is the God of gods and Lod of Lords, and Israel His blessed people, all the nations of the earth that submit to Gods rule through His ruling Nation, will be blessed with world peace, agricultural blessing, health, along with the longevity of life (Isa.2:1-4; Zech.14:16-21).

When we open the pages of the New Testament, we find the nation of Israel still under gentile oppression for their violation of the mosaic covenant, the times of the gentiles where still under way they nation was looking for their full national restoration in fulfillment of Daniels 70-week prophecy (Lk.2:1-2; Dan. 9:1-27)).The faithful members of the nation were waiting for the Coming messiah that would redeem the nation and restore the Kingdom to Israel, waiting for the coming of the crushing stone, that would crush the gentile oppressive beast kingdoms of this earth, and would establish the kingdom of heaven on earth, to which Israel would rule (Lk.1:72-80;2:30-32,36-38; 24:21; Acts.1:6; Dan.2:36-45;7:27).

Question, after reading above, we see a difference between Israel and the nations; how do we reconcile this with scriptures that say there is no difference between Jew and Gentile, and we are one in Christ? Do scriptures like this cancel out the Old Testament promises of Israel's preeminent position over the nations? Or did the church of the New Testament replace these Old Testament promises to Israel, if so then who will be ruled over?
Or does God call out different companies, at different times, that have different promises, and instructions, that must be followed? As work men that need not to be ashamed, rightly diving the word of truth we shall search the scriptures diligently finding our call and instruction. Amen!

 

[Davy]

Christ's Church began when God 'ordained' it along with Christ's crucifixion before the foundation of the world. Didn't you read what Apostle Paul said?

Eph 1:3-6
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,

6 To the praise of the glory of His grace, wherein He hath made us accepted in the beloved.
KJV

 

[Antonio39]

Christ's Church began when God 'ordained' it along with Christ's crucifixion before the foundation of the world. Didn't you read what Apostle Paul said?

Eph 1:3-6
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,

6 To the praise of the glory of His grace, wherein He hath made us accepted in the beloved.
KJV

I mean historically. Not His determined will. " His grace.... wherein he in graced us to love" Eph.1:6, i just found out that scripture is talking about the power of his grace that enables us to love to check it out in the Greek, study how beloved is used everywhere else takes like 5 min

 

[Davy]

I mean historically. Not His determined will. " His grace.... wherein he in graced us to love" Eph.1:6, i just found out that scripture is talking about the power of his grace that enables us to love to check it out in the Greek, study how beloved is used everywhere else takes like 5 min

Why waste time with silly arguments by seminarians on when the Church began?

Didn't you read what Apostle Paul said about those under the Cloud in the wilderness and having followed the Rock that was Christ?

1 Cor 10:1-4
10 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock That followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
KJV

Similar things the Christian prophet Stephen said in Acts 7 about the Old Testament saints.


There is much Biblical illiteracy in today's Church pulpits, I hate to say (and that is prophesied by God about the end also - Amos 8:9-11). Some preachers still Biblically illiterate in much of The Bible actually think the Old Testament Books are dead history.

There has always been a remnant of God's chosen from the beginning that knew about Christ and The Gospel. Even Enoch, the 7th from Adam, wrote about Lord Jesus Christ's future coming with all His saints for the final battle of this world (see Book of Jude).

 

[Antonio39]

Why waste time with silly arguments by seminarians on when the Church began?

Didn't you read what Apostle Paul said about those under the Cloud in the wilderness and having followed the Rock that was Christ?

1 Cor 10:1-4
10 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock That followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
KJV

Similar things the Christian prophet Stephen said in Acts 7 about the Old Testament saints.


There is much Biblical illiteracy in today's Church pulpits, I hate to say (and that is prophesied by God about the end also - Amos 8:9-11). Some preachers still Biblically illiterate in much of The Bible actually think the Old Testament Books are dead history.

There has always been a remnant of God's chosen from the beginning that knew about Christ and The Gospel. Even Enoch, the 7th from Adam, wrote about Lord Jesus Christ's future coming with all His saints for the final battle of this world (see Book of Jude).

Not when the church began, but the church which is Christ's body began (EPh.1:22-23; Col1:24); there are different called out assemblies in the word of God (Acts.7:38). If you believe the church that is being called out today consisting of jew and gentile replace/or somehow have receive the promises giving to Israel, who will be the nations that are to serve, and Israel will rule over, this is a big theme and promise in God's word, as the post above shows, and replacement covenant theology, doesn't have an answer for that problem that's compelling, do you?

 

[Davy]

Not when the church began, but the church which is Christ's body began (EPh.1:22-23; Col1:24); there are different called out assemblies in the word of God (Acts.7:38). If you believe the church that is being called out today consisting of jew and gentile replace/or somehow have receive the promises giving to Israel, who will be the nations that are to serve, and Israel will rule over, this is a big theme and promise in God's word, as the post above shows, and replacement covenant theology, doesn't have an answer for that problem that's compelling, do you?

Apostle Paul in Galatians 3 and Romans 4 revealed that the Promise by Faith is what God FIRST offered to Abraham back in Genesis. And that SAME FAITH Apostle Paul showed there, is the SAME FAITH that those in Christ's Church today have believed. And this is not my opinion, this is written by Paul...

Gal 3:6-9
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, "In thee shall all nations be blessed."
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
KJV

Gal 3:13-14
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, 'Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree':
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
KJV

 

[OldAbramBrown]

... If you believe the church that is being called out today consisting of jew and gentile replace/or somehow have receive the promises giving to Israel, who will be the nations that are to serve, and Israel will rule over, this is a big theme and promise in God's word, as the post above shows, and replacement covenant theology, doesn't have an answer for that problem that's compelling, do you?

1 - Exceedingly many people from all the nations, including from the natural nation of Israel.
2 - The moment Jesus had ascended.
3 - When praying in fear they were ministering.
4 - Various re-infillings we have are samples and not mannerisms to be copied.

 

[Antonio39]

1 - Exceedingly many people from all the nations, including from the natural nation of Israel.
2 - The moment Jesus had ascended.
3 - When praying in fear they were ministering.
4 - Various re-infillings we have are samples and not mannerisms to be copied.

Do you see the promises of preeminence over other peoples in the scriptures I referenced, "bow down" "serve"? If God's promises to Israel are fulfilled in the body of Christ church, and all that are saved are now the Israel of God, I wonder who the peoples that will serve, and called to show homage to Israel are? God has different companies that he calls out through the ages and generations, that have different promises and instructions to fulfill for different purposes.

 

[Antonio39]

Apostle Paul in Galatians 3 and Romans 4 revealed that the Promise by Faith is what God FIRST offered to Abraham back in Genesis. And that SAME FAITH Apostle Paul showed there, is the SAME FAITH that those in Christ's Church today have believed. And this is not my opinion, this is written by Paul...

Gal 3:6-9
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, "In thee shall all nations be blessed."
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
KJV

Gal 3:13-14
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, 'Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree':
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
KJV

Do you see the promises of preeminence over other peoples in the scriptures I referenced, "bow down" "serve"? If God's promises to Israel are fulfilled in the body of Christ church, and all that are saved are now the Israel of God, I wonder who the peoples that will serve, and called to show homage to Israel are? Any suggestions I am interested to hear your take on this issue? God has different companies that he calls out through the ages and generations, that have different promises and instructions to fulfill for different purposes.