When did the church start?

[JacktheCatholic]

Israel and the Church are separate. The Church officially began on the Day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit fell on the disciples.

Pentecost is when the Holy Spirit filled the Apostles and gave them strength to go out but the Church started when Jesus died on the cross for our sins.

One could say the water and blood from his wound when his heart was pierced was the beginning of his church.

And the thief on the other cross could have been the first to go to heaven for his church.

 

[cyberlizard]

if the church started at pentecost, and jesus died at passover, what was there in the middle

 

[1SavedByHisGrace]

Taking this off of another thread I thought this would be a good discussion . When Moses led the Isrealites out of Egypt was this the beginning of the Church? Was those who Moses led out of Egypt mixed or were they Isrealites?

The Church started on Penticost around A.D. 33.

 

[1SavedByHisGrace]

if the church started at pentecost, and jesus died at passover, what was there in the middle

Jesus was resurrected the Sunday after He died and showed Himself to many during the next several weeks. So He was still here on earth until the Ascension, shortly before Penticost.

 

[ozell]

Taking this off of another thread I thought this would be a good discussion . When Moses led the Isrealites out of Egypt was this the beginning of the Church? Was those who Moses led out of Egypt mixed or were they Isrealites?

The church of God started in the wilderness.

Acts 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

it was a mixed multitude that came out with Israel

Ex 12:38 And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Church means house of God... we know the early church would meet in homes and we even know of a cave they used.

But as to when Jesus' church started...
Some can say that when Jesus died for our sins and the theif was allowed into paradise that the church started then with the pouring out of blood and water from Jesus' side.

 

[Albion]

if the church started at pentecost, and jesus died at passover, what was there in the middle

Well, for most of the time there was...Jesus. He was only in the grave for a few days, as we know.

But the point is not about a matter of timing. Jesus intended to found a church, something different from the Hebrew religion (which is the church that is referred to in Acts 7:38). The launching of it in a practical way occurred on Pentecost. Before that there were disciples, but not a large following as was produced on Pentecost, hence it's called "the Birthday of the Church." It's not the birthday of the faith, just the birthday of the Church.

 

[IamAdopted]

When were people called Christians?

 

[Albion]

When were people called Christians?

After Pentecost.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

After Pentecost.

At Antioch.

 

[Kristos]

On the 8th day

 

[Albion]

At Antioch.

Yes, but she asked "when," not "where."

I don't frankly appreciate the thinking behind the question since when they were first called Christians wouldn't show when the Church was founded in any case.

 

[ozell]

On the 8th day

how did the chruch start on the 8th day?
we have'nt gotten to the 7th day.

 

[ozell]

The church of God started in the wilderness.

Acts 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

Ex 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

1Cor 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2: And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3: And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4: And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5: But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
9: Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

in the wilderness you had the church(Israel-people)
in the wilderness you had the priest(Levites)
in the wilderness you had the God(Jesus)

the church started in the wilderness w/Jesus and moses
not on the day of pentecost

 

[IamAdopted]

I don't frankly appreciate the thinking behind the question since when they were first called Christians wouldn't show when the Church was founded in any case.

It was an honost question. All I asked is when were we first called Christians.

Now back to the church. Was the church in the wilderness called the bride?

 

[SpiritMeadow]

The church of God started in the wilderness.

Acts 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
This is a speech given by Stephen of the History of the Jews and a condemnation of their turning away from God's Son. It doesnt of course say Church at all but "assembly" or "congregation" You're using a KJV nortorious for bad translation.
Ex 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Again this has no reference to the early Christian Church. It refers to God's promise to the Israelites newly gone from Egypt.

1Cor 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2: And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3: And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4: And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ

This refers to the Israelite ancestors, not early Christians.



5: But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
9: Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

in the wilderness you had the church(Israel-people)
in the wilderness you had the priest(Levites)
in the wilderness you had the God(Jesus)

the church started in the wilderness w/Jesus and moses
not on the day of pentecost

Of course this is a interepretation of fantasy, not based on anything actually in scripture but by strange and unusual interpretations of scripture. which sect of protestantism are you from? The historicals obviously not, so I would assume the revisionist protestants?

 

[JoabAnias]

All I asked is when were we first called Christians.

As far as I know this is the earliest quote in existance of the word Christian/Catholic though I believe it was probably the Pharasees, Levites or even the Romans who coined the term as they refered to us as a sect who followed the teaching of Jesus.

"See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Christ Jesus does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles. Do ye also reverence the deacons, as those that carry out the appointment of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrneans, 8:2 (c. A.D. 110).

Peace.

 

[JoabAnias]

The reason the Church visable didn't begin before Pentecost is because of the New Covenant accomplished on the Cross.

Judaism existed prior to this though Christs whole ministry could be shown to be laying the foundation for His assembly.

One of His last instruction to that foundation was to wait until the decent of the Holy Spirit in the upper room when they would be completely equiped to continue His work.

The definition of Church is as follows:


The faithful of the whole world. This broad definition can be understood in various senses all derived from the Scriptures, notably as the community of believers, the kingdom of God, and the Mystical Body of Christ.

As the community of believers, the Church is the assembly (ekklesia) of all who believe in Jesus Christ; or the fellowship (koinonia) of all who are bound together by their common love for the Savior. As the kingdom (basileia), it is the fulfillment of the ancient prophecies about the reign of the Messiah. And as the Mystical Body it is the communion of all those made holy by the grace of Christ. He is their invisible head and they are his visible members. These include the faithful on earth, those in purgatory who are not yet fully purified, and the saints in heaven....

At the Second Vatican Council this concept of the Church was recognized as the objective reality that identifies the fullness of the Roman Catholic Church. But it was qualified subjectively so as to somehow include all who are baptized and profess their faith in Jesus Christ. They are the People of God, whom he has chosen to be his own and on whom he bestows the special graces of his providence. (Etym. Greek kkyriakon, church; from kyriakos, belonging to the Lord.)

The Church is also all those in heavenly glory who have triumphed over their evil inclinations, the seductions of the world, and the temptations of the evil spirit.

Peace.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Yes, but she asked "when," not "where."

I don't frankly appreciate the thinking behind the question since when they were first called Christians wouldn't show when the Church was founded in any case.

True...

The Church started with Jesus on the cross. The best analogy is when Jesus bled blood and water from his side that was the creation of his bride as when Adam lost a rib from his side and Eve was created.

 

[Albion]

True...

The Church started with Jesus on the cross. The best analogy is when Jesus bled blood and water from his side that was the creation of his bride as when Adam lost a rib from his side and Eve was created.

Not really. You could debate when the faith started, when salvation was made possible, when many other things relating to our religion started, but when we speak of the start of the "church," it can only be when there is an assembly. Otherwise, we aren't talking about that which the word itself means.

This is why Pentecost is called the "Birthday of the Church" although it's more an expression and nothing to argue over.