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Featured When did the Christianity begin?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by rhern, Feb 8, 2020.

  1. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    Christianity began in Luke 24:44-48.
     
  2. timothyu

    timothyu Well-Known Member

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    His Gospel of the Kingdom, started before that
     
  3. Llewelyn Stevenson

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    Christianity, by its name began in Antioch where believers became known as "christians" a byword for those who believed in, practiced and followed the teachings of Christ. Later the word was adopted and taken on by those who believed so that Christian defines those who practice belief in Jesus Christ in most forms, though most readily accepted if acknowledging certain creeds spoken of before.
     
  4. Tone

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    Are you speaking of the woman here:

    Matthew 15
    "27“Yes, Lord,” she said, “even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.” ?

    Welcome to CF by the way!
     
  5. Swan7

    Swan7 Made in the image of His Grace Supporter

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    It began with God.
     
  6. Mark Quayle

    Mark Quayle Well-Known Member Supporter

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    It began at the beginning, at Creation. The Word of God was there. Redemption has been the theme all along. There has only even been one gospel.
     
  7. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    I agree, but that was not the question. The question was when did Christianity begin.

    To understand when Christianity began, it is necessary to know when the disciples grasped the means by which the gospel of salvation would be. To have their understanding opened, in Luke 24:45.

    Back before Luke 24:45, Jesus's disciples were told by Jesus what the means of the gospel of salvation would be, but it was closed from understanding to them, incredible as it may seem to us in hind sight. Jesus told the disciples what was going to happen to him ahead of time, but the disciples did not understand, at that time. This fact is in Luke 18:31-34 (keep in mind that in Luke 24:45, Jesus later opened their understanding).

    Luke 18:31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

    32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:

    33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.

    34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

    The reason the understanding, the implications of it, was hidden from them (and everyone else) is because otherwise Satan, the prince of this world, would not have led the push to get Jesus crucified, thinking that by killing the king of the Kingdom of God, it would preserve his own kingdom's control over the world.

    Satan had no idea that by the death of Jesus, man would be freed from the power of sin.

    This is alluded in 1Corthinians:15

    7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

    8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.


    So, after the resurrection and Jesus appearing to the disciples, Jesus opened their understanding of why the messiah had to die and come back to life, for anyone to have eternal life and inherit the Kingdom of God. Which the disciples were told to go out and spread the gospel of salvation - which without it no-one can inherit the Kingdom of God without being born again. To be a witness unto the nations. Which is when Christianity began.

    Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you [back in Luke 18:31-33], that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

    45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

    46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: [Luke 18:33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.]

    47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

    48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
     
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  8. DamianWarS

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    creation
     
  9. Andrewn

    Andrewn Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Christianity began at Christ' baptism. Any date after this would mean that his life and preaching are not part of Christianity.

    The approved statement of faith is the Nicene Creed:

    The Nicene Creed - The Anglican Church of Canada
     
  10. Ken Rank

    Ken Rank Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Depends on what you consider Christianity. I don't personally see Yeshua (Jesus) creating a new religion. I see him perfectly and prophetically walking out an existing religion. The word for church in Greek (ekklesia) which we see in the NT, is found a number of times in the Greek OT (penned in 300BC) in reference to Israel.

    So I think @DamianWarS might have said it best, in one word, "creation." God had this planned before He said "Let there be."
     
  11. Redwingfan9

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    Christianity began in creation. The believers of the old testament are Christians. The only difference is that the savior for them was someone to come in the future whereas for us his work is finished. Regardless, the blood of Christ has washed away the sins of all believers throughout time.

    As for statements of faith, Nicea and the Apostles creed have long been accepted basic statements of faith for centuries.
     
  12. thomas_t

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    ah no. You can't just take a name and give it to someone else.
    Even in the New Testament, Israel is still Israel.
    Ironically, you couldn't cite scripture to back up your assertion that this name is now given to someone else.
    But when you want to rededicate this name - the onus is on to prove your point. Since you can't, leave them this title, please.
    Anyone should respect Jewish identity. Israel is part of it.
    Moreover, Israel isn't a mere title. Many promises are made to this very Israel...
    You can't just swap the recipients of a promise.

    Thomas
     
  13. Albion

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    Christianity is a religion. All the forerunners, precedents, similarities to other religions, and etc. are worth noting--or might have been, if the question here asked about them, which it did not--but the religion itself, as an institution with a particular belief system, had a starting point in time.

    that is usually put at about the time that the Apostles started collecting converts to the Gospel, Pentecost Sunday perhaps most specifically.
     
  14. timothyu

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    A different gospel than the Kingdom? That would explain why a religion called Christianity was formed which focused on it's own brand of salvation rather than putting the will of God before our own, thus loving all as self. the latter is easy for the servant and slave bit not so for those who have power, wealth, or oppress in the world of man. They instead prefer the salvation gospel.
     
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  15. mkgal1

    mkgal1 His perfect way sets me free. 2 Samuel 22:33 Supporter

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    The key word I used was "continues". I'm not "taking from" anyone. It's important - I believe - for us (as Christians) to understand the continuity from Genesis to Revelation.

    Isaiah 11:1 - Out of the stump of David’s family will grow a shoot— yes, a new Branch bearing fruit from the old root.

    Romans 11 - Romans 11 BSB
     
  16. Albion

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    There is some continuity. But only some. And that still doesn't make Judaism be a variety of Christianity!
     
  17. Douggg

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    The two (the gospel of the Kingdom of God and the gospel of salvation) are inseparable. No-one can inherit the Kingdom of God unless he is born again. And a person cannot be born again, unless he receives Jesus as their savior.

    Christianity does not focus on "it's own brand of salvation" from the power of sin. There is only one means of salvation from the power of sin, and that is by believing upon the Lord Jesus Christ, His death and resurrection. Theologically, and contrastingly, Judaism rejects that a person, their soul, must be saved. To them, they say that salvation in the Tanach only applies to salvation from physical harm and physical death.

    The biggest obstacle Jesus was faced with concerning the Jews was trying to convince them that apart from him, they would die in their sins. Unlike unbelievers who die in their sins, the phrase "dead in Christ" refers to people who died believing on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation of their soul. And accordingly, their bodies will be resurrected, redeemed to eternal life, the corruptible putting on incorruptibility. Salvation when completed consists of redemption of the soul and body.

    Jews, Judaism, believe that the one like the son of man in Daniel 7 who is given a kingdom, is a personification of them, the nation of Israel. They reject that it is Jesus.

    So if you want to preach a Kingdom of God gospel apart from Jesus's Salvation gospel - you would be on board with Jewish theology, but not Christianity. Which I don't know why you want to besmirch Christianity by your comment. Are you a Jehovah's Witness ?
     
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  18. mkgal1

    mkgal1 His perfect way sets me free. 2 Samuel 22:33 Supporter

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    I'm not referring to modern-day Judaism. However, Christianity IS rooted in ancient Judaism.
     
  19. timothyu

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    It is continually done the other way around and for a reason.

    Those who have power, wealth, or oppress in the world of man, seeking gain at the expense of others, instead prefer the salvation gospel. The Gospel of the Kingdom had become a stumbling block to them for putting the will of God ahead of their own, thus loving all as self puts a damper on their worldly ways. The gospel of salvation alone (which is only part of the whole) lets them have it both ways, but that is not the will of God, but simply typical human redefinition of good and evil to suit their needs
     
  20. rhern

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    God began with Adam and Eve
    God then left man for then 2000 years; lets see what they do.
    After Noah, God calls Abram out of idolatry " leave your Father and come to a land that I will give you.
    The comes the covenant and the promise for the descendants, as numerous as the stars in the sky. now called Abraham.
    The Israelites who worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob continue to create problems and be reestablished many times. They are the only chosen people of God in the Old Testament, But God's Word will not return to Him Void. In other words, He Keeps His Promises for His Names sake and the Kingdom will come at the 2nd coming; and Christ the King will rule the whole earth for everlasting to everlasting.

    Then the Christians.
     
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