When did Satan fall?

[David Lamb]

Satan fell sometime after he was created, but before we read in the Bible that there is an antagonistic ha-Shaytan figure that exists.

It's simply impossible to know when that happened.

-CryptoLutheran

Sorry, but where in the bible to we read of "an antagonistic ha-Shaytan figure"? Are you saying this ha-Shaytan was some kind of forerunner of Satan, or did you mean it's another name for Satan?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Sorry, but where in the bible to we read of "an antagonistic ha-Shaytan figure"? Are you saying this ha-Shaytan was some kind of forerunner of Satan, or did you mean it's another name for Satan?

"Satan" is derived from the Hebrew term Ha-Shaytan. Satan isn't a name, it's a title, a description. Ha-Shaytan means "the adversary".

-CryptoLutheran

 

[David Lamb]

"Satan" is derived from the Hebrew term Ha-Shaytan. Satan isn't a name, it's a title, a description. Ha-Shaytan means "the adversary".

-CryptoLutheran

So it seems I misunderstood your earlier post as suggesting that a different adversary existed before Satan fell. Apologies. I did realise that "Satan", like "Christ" is a title rather than a name.

 

[!Steven!]

He was a liar and murderer from the beginning as Jesus stated. So sin was found in him then. Out he goes. No murderer remains in heaven. Jesus, the Son of Man, testified He saw satan fall from heaven. Who tempted Adam and Eve to sin? To disobey God.

Clearly God is speaking of someone He cast to earth who had become conceited because of the beauty and wisdom that God had created in them.

Ezekiel 28
You were the seal of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13You were in Eden,
the garden of God;
every precious stone adorned you:
carnelian, chrysolite and emerald,
topaz, onyx and jasper,
lapis lazuli, turquoise and beryl. b
Your settings and mountings c were made of gold;
on the day you were created they were prepared.
14You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
15You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
16Through your widespread trade
you were filled with violence,
and you sinned.
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.
17Your heart became proud
on account of your beauty,
and you corrupted your wisdom
because of your splendor.
So I threw you to the earth;
I made a spectacle of you before kings.
18By your many sins and dishonest trade
you have desecrated your sanctuaries.
So I made a fire come out from you,
and it consumed you,
and I reduced you to ashes on the ground
in the sight of all who were watching.
19All the nations who knew you
are appalled at you;
you have come to a horrible end
and will be no more.’ ”

 

[Rxlx]

In the begining God created the heavens and the earth, now the earth was formless. The Hebrew text does not say 'now' the earth was formless but 'she became' formless, the same word used as when Lot's wife 'became' a pillar of salt. Satan was banished to the earth at this point because of his pride, which is why only 'the light' was good on day one and nothing was good on day two until the earth came out of the water on day three. Satan and his followers were in the water that covered the earth. The demons are happy in water. 'When an evil spirit comes out of a man, it goes through 'arid' places seeking rest and does not find it...' (Luke 11:24) (they find no water) and when Jesus drove the demons into the pigs, they jumped straight into water( Mk 5:13) also the is no sea in the New Jerusalem (there is no longer the need). Why did God chose the same planet that He had banished Satan to, to spend 6 days perfecting for mankind?

Satan wasn't banished until thousands of years after Creation.

My Bible says GOD gave Satan 6,000 years to try rule Earth to see if he was as good as he imagined he could be. Obviously he failed. Jesus also said Satan ruled the world.

Dr Graham get a Bible and read it.

 

[Rxlx]

Pangea is a silly myth.
In fact if you read the Bible carefully you can only come to the conclusion that Earth had one complete land mass - that is how the animals released from the Ark and later the Babelites were able to travel and settle all over it.

 

[CoreyD]

Pangea is a silly myth.
In fact if you read the Bible carefully you can only come to the conclusion that Earth had one complete land mass - that is how the animals released from the Ark and later the Babelites were able to travel and settle all over it.

Pangea is only a reference to a supercontinent that existed... which is "the conclusion that Earth had one complete land mass".

 

[Sel@h]

He was a liar and murderer from the beginning as Jesus stated. So sin was found in him then. Out he goes. No murderer remains in heaven. Jesus, the Son of Man, testified He saw satan fall from heaven. Who tempted Adam and Eve to sin? To disobey God.

Clearly God is speaking of someone He cast to earth who had become conceited because of the beauty and wisdom that God had created in them.

Ezekiel 28
You were the seal of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13You were in Eden,
the garden of God;
every precious stone adorned you:
carnelian, chrysolite and emerald,
topaz, onyx and jasper,
lapis lazuli, turquoise and beryl. b
Your settings and mountings c were made of gold;
on the day you were created they were prepared.
14You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
15You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
16Through your widespread trade
you were filled with violence,
and you sinned.
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.
17Your heart became proud
on account of your beauty,
and you corrupted your wisdom
because of your splendor.
So I threw you to the earth;
I made a spectacle of you before kings.
18By your many sins and dishonest trade
you have desecrated your sanctuaries.
So I made a fire come out from you,
and it consumed you,
and I reduced you to ashes on the ground
in the sight of all who were watching.
19All the nations who knew you
are appalled at you;
you have come to a horrible end
and will be no more.’ ”

And here:
"How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations! For you have said in your heart: 'I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.'

- Isaiah 14:12-14 (NKJV)

 

[CoreyD]

a 'supercontinent' implies a big island. not a totally encompassing land mass.

It's not an island.
In geology, a supercontinent is the assembly of most or all of Earth's continental blocks or cratons to form a single large landmass.

Islands would be those pieces of land surrounded by water
Supercontinents can have any shape.