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When did evolution begin?
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I haven't taken the time to read all 18 pages of this thread but has anyone taken the time to research what theologians think? Not pastors but the people who study the bible in its original Greek and Hebrew and what their thoughts are? I remember reading several who agreed that the account of creation in Genesis 1 is most likely a poem added by the scribe Ezra during the exile to support a monotheistic view of creation since the Israelite identity could no longer be found in the temple it had to be found in their heritage. Editing of the Pentateuch seems rampant unless anyone can believe that Moses wrote "and then there was Moses, the most humble man on the face of the earth." That very sentence seems counter intuitive. So it seems to me if you take an actual view of the book from a theological perspective then you find that it may not have ever been meant to be a complete history but just the story as the Israelites perceived it which shouldn't shake your faith in God. If the Bible is found completely untrue and made up
Tomorrow then my faith isn't shaken because of believe foremost in God because I choose to not because the Bible tells me to which is what the word Faith means. If my faith is primarily in the Bible before God something is wrong. This allows you to take an actual look at the scriptures and become Israel or "he who wrestles with God." Once you are certain of your position the match is over and you've stopped wrestling, the exact opposite of the name given to the forefather of God's people after wrestling with the angel.
Tomorrow then my faith isn't shaken because of believe foremost in God because I choose to not because the Bible tells me to which is what the word Faith means. If my faith is primarily in the Bible before God something is wrong. This allows you to take an actual look at the scriptures and become Israel or "he who wrestles with God." Once you are certain of your position the match is over and you've stopped wrestling, the exact opposite of the name given to the forefather of God's people after wrestling with the angel.
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Plus self replicating particles have been created in labs as far back as the 70s from random inorganic mixtures. They just require a jolt of energy like a lightning bolt which could easily have happened. Even statistically, if it's a 1 in a billion chance but there were 7 billion chances then it happened 7 times.
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Oncedeceived
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Our discussions of late should still be fresh in your mind. There is no evidence for the claim that life forms appear to be designed for a purpose is produced by evolutionary processes. There is no evidence for the claim that the complexity and order we see in the fossil evidence was produced from disorder and simpler less functioning precursors. Just to name a few.
The laws of logic, the parameters of the universe, the order and mathematical understanding of the universe, man's intelligence and design in all of nature.
The evidence supports my position far more than yours.
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Oh please. Self replicating particles are not life, are far from being life and are not from random inorganic mixtures but introduced by humans in the mixtures they feel would be best for life to arise. A jot of energy can be easily artificially created and it sure didn't poof into existence any life nor could it provide the chirality needed and numerous other problems so far insurmountable.
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They would be the predecessors of life. What is amazing is that when the steps to life are laid out for creationists they will not even look at the evidence.
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You yourself claim that it is an appearance of design.
I have given you that evidence on several occasions. Here is the fossil evidence for the evolution of the irreducibly complex mammalian middle ear.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section1.html#morphological_intermediates_ex2
How is that evidence?
The evidence supports my position far more than yours.
That would require you to produce some evidence first.
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No, you are just hoping that they don't look at the evidence because there is no evidence that supports what is being claimed.
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Fossil intermediates do not support the evolution of the irreducibly complex mammalian middle ear?
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Everything according to Genesis 1 states that kinds came before the kinds being discussed excluding man. Nothing came before man in the Narrative.
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Fossil intermediates do not support the evolution of the irreducibly complex mammalian middle ear?
It supports evolution happens. It doesn't support how order and complex specified function as seen in molecular machines within even the cell came from disorder and simple organisms or no function becoming function. In the fossil evidence we see complex organisms with equally complex function within them with nothing in evidence of disorder or simple organisms being present in the fossil evidence prior to them.
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Yes, it does. I just showed you how step-wise evolutionary processes can produce those very things.
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