when did dinos exist

[Brotha Ballew]

i know of lots of things to prove the Bible

 

[LewisWildermuth]

what archealogical evidence do you have to disprove the Bible?

To disprove the Bible? None.

To disprove a literal translation of the creation stories? Christian ministers that were amature geologists did that hundreds of years ago.

 

[Brotha Ballew]

what do ya mean by that

 

[Arikay]

Maybe you can start a new thread about them and we can take a look.

Ron Wyatt wouldn't be the finder of some of these things would he?

i know of lots of things to prove the Bible

 

[Brotha Ballew]

never heard of him

 

[Brotha Ballew]

i will goahead and start a new thread about

 

[Brotha Ballew]

i got the new thread started

 

[Vance]

OK, guys, Troll.

Don't bother.

 

[LewisWildermuth]

what do ya mean by that

The Church and science have long walked hand in hand, even today many of the top universities are part of or were set up by Churches. The study of the universe has and still does help us understand our place in it and our relationship with God since He is the one that created the universe.

Look up the founders of Geology, Biology and many other sciences and you will fing that they were also ordained ministers.

Now geology was one of the first things that started to show that we were reading the Bible in the wrong way, too literaly.

Now we know that erosion changes the shape of the land, and even wears down mountians. In England, one of these minister/geologists noticed that a wall built by the romans over a thousand years before his day still looked new, this caused him to start wondering "If a thousand year old fence looks new then how long must it have taken to wear down the landscape around me?". Before this time, most people assumed that the Earth was only a few thousand years old, but for the things that we see around us it would have taken much longer for them to form.

Now many geologists at that time used Noahs flood to explain this, but this didn't set well with many the more they looked at the Earth, it just did not look like what one would expect a flood ravaged world would. Since they were familiar with lesser floods and what they could do, and all you have to do is simply scale a flood up to the size needed to see what it shoud do they started experimenting. Almost every thing they found from the smallest hills to the largest mountians could not be explained by the flood.

Now they were Christians and thus believed two things, God created the universe and God does not lie. Now they faced a problem...

If the literal interpretation of the flood was correct, then God was lying because of the things left in His creation if the evidence that God left in the world was correct and the flood story was still ment to be read literaly then God was lying through the Bible.

Now they could of done a few things...

1. Gave up belief in God.
2. Say that God is a liar.
3. Look at the Bible again and see if the flood story can be read non-literaly and still mean something.

They choose #3, and find that there is no problem reading the flood story like a parable that Jesus might tell, and infact it seems to make more sense that way.

They decide that an old earth is no problem for the Christian balief system.

Fifty years later, there are a few people working on why animals and people are the way they are, Darwin and Wallace being the two most prominant, and both are Christians. Now like with geology fifty years earlier there seems to be a problem with Gods creation and the Bible matching up. After working on the problem for years both seperatly come up with basicaly the same answer, evolution.

Darwin and Wallace then faced the same three choices that the geologists faced earlier and made the same choice #3. That we had interpreted Gods word wrongly.

Now there is much made about Darwin, much later in life, becoming agnostic, but that had nothing to do with science, but more to do with the death of his daughter and mistakes his pastor made in dealing with a greiving father.

 

[pureone]

hey, by the way, the asteroid is kinda on the outs, since the major creatures that survived were all exothermix (cold blooded). The smaller endothermic dinosaurs (and which ones weren't warmblooded I'd have to check) should have survived, and not just as birds or bird similar. Again, some hold that the birds and dinos came from a similar ancestor, not directly birds from dinos as one might think..

 

[PhantomLlama]

hey, by the way, the asteroid is kinda on the outs, since the major creatures that survived were all exothermix (cold blooded). The smaller endothermic dinosaurs (and which ones weren't warmblooded I'd have to check) should have survived, and not just as birds or bird similar. Again, some hold that the birds and dinos came from a similar ancestor, not directly birds from dinos as one might think..

First off, exothermic means 'gives off heat' and so is probably actually the word for 'warm-blooded'

And also the major survivors of the asteroid impact were the small, warm-blooded mammals last I heard.

 

[pureone]

First off, exothermic means 'gives off heat' and so is probably actually the word for 'warm-blooded'

And also the major survivors of the asteroid impact were the small, warm-blooded mammals last I heard.

It's backwards for dinos, or is according to my last readings. I had to deal with that when I got into biology classes. The heat came from an outside source for "cold blooded", hence exothermic. Endothermic had an inside heat. it's actually ectothermic instead of exothermic. but don't trust me. go find out for yourself.

the coldblooded crocidilians and reptiles didn't survive? i'll go tell them to die

 

[pureone]

Oh, and some of the smaller dinos weren't much larger than the small mammals....How did large reptiles and small mammals both survive? The reptilians should have died out and left small warm blooded dinosaurs and small mammals.

 

[dlamberth]

Gennisis 1:2 in the originall translation says that the earth BECAME void and without shape so the cause of it is probbably the 'asteriod', or what i think was satan being cast into earth

I fully acknowledge my total lack of knowledge regarding Bible teachings...but I was under the impression that Satan is still in Heaven with Jesus and that he has not been cast down to earth quite yet.

 

[dlamberth]

how do you know it didnt make the earth void or without shape?

I'll bite. By what we see in the geology of the earth.

 

[pureone]

This is an odd Post. So far as I can tell, the argument has been
1. There was life up to the dinosaurs.
2.An asteroid or Falling Angel Wiped out this life. (And I doubt either of these)
3 The bible picks up there with the earth becoming void.
4. God creates everything.
5. goto1

 

[troodon]

hey, by the way, the asteroid is kinda on the outs, since the major creatures that survived were all exothermix (cold blooded). The smaller endothermic dinosaurs (and which ones weren't warmblooded I'd have to check) should have survived, and not just as birds or bird similar. Again, some hold that the birds and dinos came from a similar ancestor, not directly birds from dinos as one might think..

Well, we can't really be sure what the physiology of all dinosaurs was. Some (Bakker for instance) claim that endothermy was shared by all dinosaurs whereas others (Jones for instance) claim that no dinosaurs were endothermic. I'd say the evidence is overwhelming for endothermic theropods... I'm undecided about the other clades.

 

[pureone]

Well, we can't really be sure what the physiology of all dinosaurs was. Some (Bakker for instance) claim that endothermy was shared by all dinosaurs whereas others (Jones for instance) claim that no dinosaurs were endothermic. I'd say the evidence is overwhelming for endothermic theropods... I'm undecided about the other clades.

yeah, I also like horners work (but who doesn't, besides jones)). comparing the innner bone structureof birds and dinos..plus, there a whole bunch of stuff about size and heat. It says something to the effect that the sheer size of the sauropods prevents them from being exothermic.. I cant remember where it was from...It's been a while since i have gone over my paleo stuff...

But what is your opinion on the asteroid theory then? smashing good theory?

 

[dlamberth]

But what is your opinion on the asteroid theory then? smashing good theory?

In the same general time frame, (65mya) major lava flows were happening in northern siberia and 3 asteroids smashed into the earth. I personally suspect that all of these events played a part.

 

[pureone]

I know this is the creation/evolution forum,not destruction, but the asteroids? If the dinos(exo or endothermic) the same size as crocs were wiped out then why are the crocs still here? they should have died out too...