When creationists shoot themselves in the foot...

[46AND2]

How on earth did I miss this thread!?

First of all: kind = genus.

Second of all, the Ark's tonnage is not a problem with God. After all, He knew its tonnage before He even ordered Noah to build it.

IF the Ark was a modified TARDIS booth, then the inside of it was bigger than its outside, and the Ark could have held the entire solar system with no problem.

Paul mentions four dimensions of space.

Ephesians 3:18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

And in Revelation, we see a multitude of people being housed under a single altar.

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

So the number and size of the animals that got on the Ark were not a problem with God.

Thirdly, feeding and watering these animals would be no problem either.

We see how God handled feeding the widow of Zarephath.

1 Kings 17:12 And she said, As the LORD thy God liveth, I have not a cake, but an handful of meal in a barrel, and a little oil in a cruse: and, behold, I am gathering two sticks, that I may go in and dress it for me and my son, that we may eat it, and die.

1 Kings 17:14 For thus saith the LORD God of Israel, The barrel of meal shall not waste, neither shall the cruse of oil fail, until the day that the LORD sendeth rain upon the earth.

1 Kings 17:16 And the barrel of meal wasted not, neither did the cruse of oil fail, according to the word of the LORD, which he spake by Elijah.

All that was needed was one giant bowl of ... manna ... and all the animals would have eaten to their hearts' content.

Fourthly, as far as the waste that would have been generated, I have no explanation.

David Tenant...best Doctor?

 

[pitabread]

David Tenant...best Doctor?

Tom Baker.

 

[Skreeper]

This is hilarious because I'm having trouble distinguishing between people who are serious and people who are just joking.

Welcome to CF, where everything is made up and the points don't matter...

 

[AV1611VET]

Welcome to CF, where everything is made up and the points don't matter...

Why do people get moderated then?

 

[DogmaHunter]

There are creationist who disagree with everyone. That is their right. I disagree with many people on many biblical questions. That doesn't make me right. It also doesn't make me wrong.

What makes people right or wrong, is how well their beliefs match reality.
And the way we assess that, is by evidence. Got any?

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Subscribing!! OmGoodness! This Thread is Hilarious!

Why do people get moderated then?

Because arbitrary rules of this forum that dictate Christianity and Blasphemy of such, is beyond question.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Why do people get moderated then?

Because those who have no comeback play the "that's against the rules" God card.

Tell us, why have you been moderated?

 

[AV1611VET]

Because arbitrary rules of this forum that dictate Christianity and Blasphemy of such, is beyond question.

More like some lose thieir cool over something you consider "doesn't matter."

Well if it doesn't matter, why do they lose their cool?

 

[tas8831]

Only a moment before class...

Both elephants and mammoths are large creatures, with curvaciously shaped tusks and peculiarly shaped noses. Just mammoths have hair. I would argue that claiming they are different kinds is like arguing your great-uncle Bertie is not your relative, because he's fat and bald, and has a wart on his nose.

Then your argument is with your fellow non-scientist creationists, Aman and Heissonear, for THEY claimed that 'kind'=genus, and there are several genera of mammoth/elephantids.

When you all agree on what a 'kind' is and have evidence for your justification of your conclusion, let me know.

The fact that defining species is not easy is a testament to the non-created nature of nature.

 

[AV1611VET]

Because those who have no comeback play the "that's against the rules" God card.

Right.

And I'm Genghis Khan.

Tell us, why have you been moderated?

Mainly for losing my cool.

 

[Doctor.Sphinx]

Only a moment before class...

Then your argument is with your fellow non-scientist creationists, Aman and Heissonear, for THEY claimed that 'kind'=genus, and there are several genera of mammoth/elephantids.

When you all agree on what a 'kind' is and have evidence for your justification of your conclusion, let me know.

The fact that defining species is not easy is a testament to the non-created nature of nature.

Evolutionists also disagree on the mechanism by which evolution is said to occur. Even if I disagree with Aman and Heissonear (for simple reasons, such as fitting all the animals on the ark, as argued in this thread), its only a minor disagreement. We all know animals were created.

They may just not realise that dogs came from wolves, or elephants from mammoths. These are the same kinds, although they look and behave different, same as Japanese and Swedish.

 

[pitabread]

They may just not realise that dogs came from wolves, or elephants from mammoths.

How would you know that? What if wolves and dogs were separate creations? Or elephants and mammoths?

 

[Aman777]

Even if I disagree with Aman and Heissonear (for simple reasons, such as fitting all the animals on the ark, as argued in this thread), its only a minor disagreement. We all know animals were created.

Amen, by the Hands of Jesus/Lord God....BUT....all of the animals on the present Earth were NOT on the Ark. Scripture shows that less than 100 animals could have been on the Ark and still have complied with God's command.

Gen 7:14 They, (Noah's family) and every beast after His kind, (Jesus) and all the cattle after their kind, (Trinity) and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after His (Jesus) kind, and every fowl after His (Jesus) kind, every bird of every sort.

What is a sort?

Gen 6:19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

Perhaps it's a "kind"? What we know is that Noah came to a world filled with Dinosaur bones which had been here for some 65 million years before the Ark arrived. He brought some of the animals which Jesus had made with His own Hands and others, like cattle, which are THEIR (Trinity) kinds, which will be in Heaven.

 

[AirPo]

When creationists shoot themselves in the foot...

they adapt to hop around on one leg.

 

[Doctor.Sphinx]

How would you know that? What if wolves and dogs were separate creations? Or elephants and mammoths?

What, you think wolves and dogs are different, and elephants and mammoths are different? Wolves can even breed with dogs.

Mammoths can't breed with elephants, not so much because of the looks of the latter, but because the former are extinct.

 

[pitabread]

What, you think wolves and dogs are different, and elephants and mammoths are different? Wolves can even breed with dogs.

So? How do you know they weren't created independently?

(Btw, answering a question with a question isn't an answer.)

 

[Doctor.Sphinx]

So? How do you know they weren't created independently?

(Btw, answering a question with a question isn't an answer.)

The bible tells us animals were created according to their kinds. This is historical evidence - more than evolution has that these creatures evolved, which is zero.

Your question implied a belief that wolves were different to dogs, and elephants different to mammoths. I was seeking a reason for this belief, given the creatures look the same - other than a wolf is a meaner dog, and a mammoth a better-looking elephant.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

The bible tells us animals were created according to their kinds. This is historical evidence - more than evolution has that these creatures evolved, which is zero.

How is a copy (almost certainly a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy) of a transcription of an oral tradition better evidence than DNA?

 

[DogmaHunter]

How is a copy (almost certainly a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy) of a transcription of an oral tradition better evidence than DNA?

It's actually rather copies of copies of translations of copies of translations of copies of ..........(this goes on for a while)......of copies of copies of translations of copies of an oral tradition (that itself likely also underwent some translation copies).

 

[HitchSlap]

they adapt to hop around on one leg.

Then swear goddidit and it’s a good design, followed with random bible verse in support.