When Christ comes to destroy, who is with Him? Saints or angels?

[HisdaughterJen]

Mar 8:38If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father's glory with the holy angels."


Luk 9:26If anyone is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.



Mat 25:31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory.




2Th 1:7and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels.





Mat 13:39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
Mat 13:40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age.
Mat 13:41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.




"Holy ones"....saints or angels?

Psa 89:5The heavens praise your wonders, O Lord, your faithfulness too, in the assembly of the holy ones.

Psa 89:7In the council of the holy ones God is greatly feared; he is more awesome than all who surround him.

Isa 13:3I have commanded my holy ones; I have summoned my warriors to carry out my wrath-- those who rejoice in my triumph.

Dan 4:17" 'The decision is announced by messengers, the holy ones declare the verdict, so that the living may know that the Most High is sovereign over the kingdoms of men and gives them to anyone he wishes and sets over them the lowliest of men.'

Zec 14:5You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.

1Th 3:13May he strengthen your hearts so that you will be blameless and holy in the presence of our God and Father when our Lord Jesus comes with all his holy ones.



Jud 1:13 They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.

Jud 1:14Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: "See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones

Jud 1:15 to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”

 

[Bible2]

HisdaughterJen posted in message #1:

When Christ comes to destroy, who is with Him? Saints
or angels?

When Christ comes down to destroy the Antichrist
(Revelation 19:20), the saints will descend with
Christ from the sky, the first heaven (Revelation
19:14, cf. 19:8), for the angels with Christ will
have gathered all the saints together to Jesus in the
sky (Matthew 24:31, cf. 2 Thessalonians 2:1;
1 Thessalonians 4:17).

After Christ defeats the Antichrist (Revelation 19:20),
Christ will set up His millennial kingdom on the earth,
and the saints will reign on the earth with Him for
1000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, 5:10, 2:26-29).

 

[HisdaughterJen]

When Christ comes down to destroy the Antichrist
(Revelation 19:20), the saints will descend with
Christ from the sky, the first heaven (Revelation
19:14, cf. 19:8), for the angels with Christ will
have gathered all the saints together to Jesus in the
sky (Matthew 24:31, cf. 2 Thessalonians 2:1;
1 Thessalonians 4:17).

After Christ defeats the Antichrist (Revelation 19:20),
Christ will set up His millennial kingdom on the earth,
and the saints will reign on the earth with Him for
1000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, 5:10, 2:26-29).

There is a fundamental misunderstanding of the catching away.

It is not part of the wrath of God. When Christ comes with the angels to kill all the evil, that is part of the wrath of God that will have been in progress for seven years. The catching away is PRIOR to the wrath of God. It is prior to the sun/moon darkening. It is prior to all the events of the seventh seal...the gog invasion, the two witnesses, the anti-christ, the false prophet, the trumpet judgments, the bowls and Armageddon.

It is the fulfillment of the New Covenant promises...spirit and BODY for eternal life. It is the 2nd firstfruits offering of the harvest that has been going on since the 1st firstfruits was offered (Jesus). Read Leviticus 23 for understanding. After we are gone, there is an entirely NEW CROP... which grows and forms during the millennium.

Amo 7:1 This is what the Sovereign Lord showed me: He was preparing swarms of locusts after the king's share had been harvested and just as the second crop was coming up.

 

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[Godzman]

I think it is not really coming to destroy but to restore the world to it's perfect order, and how about both saints and angels.

 

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[Bible2]

HisdaughterJen posted in message #3:

There is a fundamental misunderstanding of the
catching away.

It is not part of the wrath of God. When Christ comes
with the angels to kill all the evil, that is part of
the wrath of God that will have been in progress for
seven years. The catching away is PRIOR to the wrath
of God. It is prior to the sun/moon darkening. It is
prior to all the events of the seventh seal...the
gog invasion, the two witnesses, the anti-christ, the
false prophet, the trumpet judgments, the bowls and
Armageddon.

It is the fulfillment of the New Covenant promises...
spirit and BODY for eternal life. It is the 2nd
firstfruits offering of the harvest that has been
going on since the 1st firstfruits was offered
(Jesus). Read Leviticus 23 for understanding. After
we are gone, there is an entirely NEW CROP... which
grows and forms during the millennium.

[Amos 7:1]

There is a fundamental misunderstanding of the
catching "up" of the church to meet Jesus in the sky
on his way down to the earth at his second coming
(1 Thessalonians 4:15-17). It is not a catching
"away", for the church will never be removed from
the earth (Proverbs 10:30, John 17:15).

The catching "up" is part of the wrath of God insofar
as it will occur at the second coming, after the
tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31, Revelation 19:7), when
Jesus will show God's wrath to the unsaved of the
world (Revelation 19:15; 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10).

Nothing requires that everything that will happen
during the seven-year tribulation (Revelation chapters
6-18), which will precede the second coming (Revelation
19), will be God's wrath. Most of the tribulation could
be the wrath of Satan and evil men (e.g. Matthew 24:9,
Revelation 12:17, 13:7-10, 14:12-13, 20:4). The church
will go through the entire tribulation of Revelation
chapters 6-18 without ever being appointed to God's
wrath, for no one who has obtained salvation can be
appointed to God's wrath (1 Thessalonians 5:9).

The catching "up" of the church at the second coming
will only be prior to the wrath of God at the second
coming (Revelation 19:15), not prior to any wrath of
God during the tribulation of Revelation chapters
6-18.

The catching "up" of the church at the second coming
will be after the darkening of the sun and moon which
will occur after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31).

The darkening of the sun and reddening of the moon
at the 6th seal (Revelation 6:12) is a different
event which will happen during the first stage of
the tribulation.

The Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel chapters 38-39 won't
happen until after the millennium (Revelation 20:7-9).

The first six trumpets of the tribulation (Revelation
chapters 8-9) could all be the work of Satan and his
fallen angels and demonic creatures.

The firstfruits of Pentecost in Leviticus 23:16-17
could be a type of the firstfruits of the Spirit
(Romans 8:23) which the church received at Pentecost
in the first century (Acts 2:16-17). The two loaves
of Pentecost in Leviticus 23:16-17 could typify how
both the Jews in the church and the Gentiles in the
church received the Spirit (Acts 10:45).

Amos 7:1 is referring to what happened back in the
time of Amos; the king referred to in Amos 7:1 is
Jeroboam (Amos 7:10). Amos 7:1 is referring to a
literal second crop in Israel which God was preparing
to destroy with literal locusts. But Amos prayed and
asked God not to send the locust invasion (Amos 7:2)
and God agreed and said "It shall not be" (Amos 7:3).

 

[Bible2]

vinsight4u posted in message #4:

I don't believe the angels come with Christ for
Armageddon. The bible spesaks of armies - then has
one army at the battle on God's team. The other army
is then in chapter 20 - noted as the "lived and
reigned", so that would mean that they weren't
fighting at Armageddon.

The angels will come with Christ (Matthew 25:31) for
the second-coming battle (Revelation 19:19-21) which
people call Armageddon (cf. Revelation 16:16), just
as at the second coming the entire church will be
raptured into the sky to be with Jesus
(1 Thessalonians 4:15-17) so that it can then descend
from the sky (the first heaven) with Jesus (Revelation
19:14) to observe as he by himself (Isaiah 63:3, cf.
Revelation 19:15b,13) wages war and defeats the
Antichrist and all the armies of the world gathered
together to fight against him (Revelation 19:19-21).

Revelation 20:4-6 is referring to the resurrected
church, which had just been resurrected at the second
coming (1 Corinthians 15:22-23), in Revelation 19,
right before the marriage of Revelation 19:7.

vinsight4u posted in message #4:

But see in Rev. 7 - where the trib is over and men
get into the temple in heaven

The tribulation of Revelation chapters 6-18 isn't
over in Revelation 7; only its first stage, seals
2-6 of Revelation 6, is over by the time of
Revelation 7. The people in heaven in Revelation 7:9
came out of the tribulation (Revelation 7:14) by
dying in seals 2-6.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[jellybean99]

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” Matthew 24:29-31

Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?” And I said to him, “Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat; for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”

When He opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and to them were given seven trumpets. Then another angel, having a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, ascended before God from the angel’s hand. Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and threw it to the earth. And there were noises, thunderings, lightnings, and an earthquake. So the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. Rev. 7:9-8:6

 

[Bible2]

The heaven that opens in Revelation 19:11 is the first
heaven, the sky, where the church will have been
raptured (1 Thessalonians 4:17) and married
(Revelation 19:7).

Some in the church had still been alive on the earth
(Revelation 16:15) during the vials (Revelation 16),
the final stage of the tribulation, which preceded
the second coming and rapture (Matthew 24:29-31).