What's wrong with milk? (Sparkle and Jenna. Tami too)

[katieb2005]

i enjoy milk and im a strong healthy girl i actually recently read that it helps lose weight around the waistline

 

[Tami]

i enjoy milk and im a strong healthy girl i actually recently read that it helps lose weight around the waistline

So does soy: http://www.veggiepatch.com/contentmgr/showdetails.php/id/591

 

[Beastt]

i enjoy milk and im a strong healthy girl i actually recently read that it helps lose weight around the waistline

You may well be a strong and healthy girl and I'm sure you do enjoy milk. But just as many people are strong and healthy 2-months before they suffer a heart attack, you may just be unaware of the damage done. Im sure if you spent enough time in back alleys you could quickly find a heroin addict that claimed they were perfectly healthy.

It's a similar situation to smoking. How many people were less athletically capable than peers who smoked in high school? How many of those smoking high school athletes are still able to perform when they're in their 30s or 40s? Just because you don't see the affects yet, doesn't mean it's not harming you.

I'd be very interested in the source which claims that milk helps to trim your waistline. Such a statement might be true if they're comparing someone who drinks whole milk to someone who drinks skim milk and referring to the skim milk drinker. Otherwise I have to disagree. It sounds like a claim made by the Dairy Council or some other dairy industry player.

Remember the old slogan, "Everybody needs milk"? Know where it went? The Federal Trade Commission took legal steps toward prosecuting milk producers on the grounds that the statement was "false, misleading and deceptive". That's when they changed to "Milk has something for everybody". Dr. Kevin McGrady agrees with the more recent slogan adding, "It certainly does. Higher blood cholesterol and increased risk of heart disease and strokes".

"Ice cream is a healthful food made from milk and cream along with other good foods." -- The Dairy Council ("Ice Cream for you and Me")

"Drink milk at every meal and have some in foods like these: cheese, ice cream, baked custard, bowl of cream of tomato soup, with a pat of butter on top." -- The Dairy Council

"(Drink) whole milk most of the time, skim milk part of the time, if you need to lose weight." -- The Dairy Council ("A Boy and His Physique" and "A Girl and Her Figure")

They also recommended "stay slim sundaes" composed of ice cream with fruit instead of chocolate syrup. Another suggestion was for teenagers who need to lose weight. The Dairy Council's suggestion; cream cheese, softened with cream, rolled into balls, rolled in peanuts and served with fruit.

Whole milk is usually listed as 4% fat. It's actually closer to 3.7% fat by weight. But since milk is mostly water and water has no calories, it's more accurate to say that half of the calories in milk are from fat. It's not a diet food, it's as fatty or, depending on the brand and recipe, more fatty than sausage.

 

[Veteran_Gymnast]

I'm freaked out by some of the junk they do to "regular" milk nowadays and I don't drink it if I can avoid it.

Soy milk is alright, but it gets gross-tasting sometimes and It doesn't taste good in protein shakes that want milk.

I recommend organic whole milk. Expensive, but quite healthy.

 

[zoe_uu]

I'm freaked out by some of the junk they do to "regular" milk nowadays and I don't drink it if I can avoid it.

Soy milk is alright, but it gets gross-tasting sometimes and It doesn't taste good in protein shakes that want milk.

I recommend organic whole milk. Expensive, but quite healthy.

Have you tried Organic Vanilla Soy Milk, such as Sun Soy or Silk?

 

[Veteran_Gymnast]

yes. That's what I was referring to. I've had them both.

 

[zoe_uu]

OH, too bad, I love it myself.

 

[Beastt]

I'm freaked out by some of the junk they do to "regular" milk nowadays and I don't drink it if I can avoid it.

Soy milk is alright, but it gets gross-tasting sometimes and It doesn't taste good in protein shakes that want milk.

I recommend organic whole milk. Expensive, but quite healthy.

It's healthy for baby cows, not for people. It still derives half of its calories from fat, contains up to 750,000 pus cells per liter, and has IGF-1 which is "insulin-like growth factor". People produce this hormone and it's the most powerful growth hormone in the human body. Oddly enough, cows produce the very same hormone. Usually two difference species won't produce hormones that are identical but this is one of those rare instances. Anyway, it's present in milk and higher concentrations of it greatly increase the likelihood of prostate cancer in men and breast cancer in women.

To the best of my knowledge, "organic milk" comes from cows that can be fed the same grain and mixed waste combination that beef cattle are fed in feedlots. That means they have a daily source of pesticide residues which continually build up not just in their fatty tissues, but are expressed in the milk as well. Tests have shown the presence of DDT and other chlorinated hydrocarbon pesticides in almost 100% of cow's milk and because the fat-soluble residues build up in the cow, you get far more residue in the milk than you would if you ate the grain they eat. Cows simply eat more of the grain than you do, the residues build up in them, and then are passed on to you in milk and meat.

Add to that the fact that most people have a very limited production of lactase. The lactose in milk is a sugar that can't be properly digested without sufficient lactase. Human babies produce sufficient quantities of this enzyme until they reach 18 to 24 months of age when production drops sharply. It's a natural part of weaning. After that, tolerance levels vary but it isn't just people who have been diagnosed as "lactose intolerant" that suffer from the continued ingestion of milk. Many people go their whole lives with a slight but constant bleeding inside the small intestine from the irritation caused by undigested lactose. Among African blacks, the degree of total lactose intolerance is around 95% of the population. That drops to around 80% of asians and only about 15% of western caucasians. But the fact remains that even those not classified as lactose intolerant have a very limited ability to digest lactose after the age of two years.

People who drink milk have higher rates of some cancers, allergies, indigestion, flatulence and suffer more often from the common cold. Cow's milk is for baby cows. Human milk is for baby humans. Adult animals don't drink milk unless man intervenes to give them access and even then, only a few will drink it.

 

[Tami]

So does soy: http://www.veggiepatch.com/contentmgr/showdetails.php/id/591

I know I just promoted soy in the link that I gave earlier but I recently found some stuff that says that soy may not be safe after all. I don't know for sure that it isn't. The info I found could be wrong. I really don't know what to believe about soy anymore. A lot of people say it's fine but apparently some people think it's not so I thought I'd share the stuff with you that I found sou you can make your own informed choice: http://www.google.com/custom?cof=AH%3Acenter%3BAWFID%3A5cdb2968a482194d%3B&domains=www.mercola.com&sitesearch=www.mercola.com&q=soy

As I said in another thread, I will be avoiding it until I'm sure that it's safe. Even though soy might not be a good thing to consume, there are still good alternatives to cow's milk like rice and nut milks (as long as you aren't allergic to nuts, of course).

 

[brokenbananas]

Wow, I can't believe I actually read through most of the posts. Where to begin.

I'm Chinese and semi-lactose intolerant. I have rarely ever drank milk because of this and I find it gross. Eating or drinking things that cause me diarrhea, stomach aches, sick feeling just doesn't appeal to me.

I like what Beastt said in one of his posts paraphrased...just because one appears to be healthy does not mean one is healthy. In the last 2 yrs I've had 3 physicals at a regular medical doctor. At each of those physicals where they performed similar tests and some different, each time I was given a clean bill of health. When I was pregnant with our 2nd baby last year, my blood pressure was unusually high. Although heart problems run in my family, the habits & lifestyle I had did not jive with the BP. Extensive tests were run on my body and heart to determine the problem and it wasn't until an Echo was done that they found the problem. So, long story short, 3 physicals that gave me a clean bill of health and I physically felt great. Yet, one thing was off and that one thing could've had me having a heart attack or dropping dead in the middle of one of my strenuous workouts. Sad, eh?

I've still be working with some top notch cardiologists to truly determine why I have the heart problems I have, since I am fairly young and lead a "healthy" lifestyle. But, what I have found recently was that what may be considered healthy to one person may not be truly healthy for another. Healthy is providing your body with what it wants and is irrelevant to what we THINK our body wants.

So, there were some posts that talked about CA, Mg, protein intake, etc. It really all boils down to what your body requires, how it processes the foods, the health of the systems in your body. Even if you provided it with all the best nutrients that it wants, if your systems aren't working properly, they won't be able to take the nutrients and convert them to what the body requires. There is a delicate balance. And, it takes knowledge to do this.

Lactose is an important sugar that is converted to lactic acid by lactic acid bacteria.11 Lactose intolerance results from an inability to digest lactose, due to the failure of small intestine mucosal cells to produce lactase, an enzyme needed to digest lactose.12 This often results because of genetics, gastrointestinal disease, or because of the decline in the
amount of intestinal lactase levels associated with aging.13 Lactase deficient people accumulate nonabsorbed lactose in the gastrointestinal tract, which draws water and electrolytes into the gut and accelerates transit time, leading to bloating, cramping, diarrhea, and malabsorption of nutrients.14 Lactic acid bacteria have been shown to support the breakdown of lactose, specifically by enhancing the activity of lactase (beta galactosidase), which improves lactose digestion and tolerance.15,16


11. Lactose. On-line medical dictionary. Available at: http://www.graylab.ac.uk/cgibin/omd?query=lactose&
action+Search+OMD. Accessed February 9, 2000.

12. Tortora GJ, Grabowski SR. The digestive system. In: Principles of Anatomy and Physiology. 8th ed. Menlo Park, Calif: HarperCollins College Publishers;1996: 752-805.

13. Marteau P, Vesa T, Rambaud JC. Lactose maldigestion. In: Fuller, R ed. Probiotics 2 Applications and Practical Aspects. London, England: Chapman & Hall; 1997:65-88.

14. Vernia P, Di Camillo M, Marinaro V. Lactose malabsorption, irritable bowel syndrome and self-reported milk intolerance. Dig Liver Dis. 2001;33:234-239.

15. Gismondo MR, Drago L, Lombardi A. Review of probiotics available to modify gastrointestinal flora. Int J Antimicrob Agents. 1999;12:287-292

16. Garman J, Coolbear T, Smart J. The effect of cations on the hydrolysis of lactose and the transferase reactions catalysed by beta-galactosidase from six strains of lactic acid bacteria. Appl Microbiol Biotechnol. 1996;46:22-27.

"Everything our body has ever been or ever will be is dependent upon nutrition. Every building block, every bone cell, even the sheen of our hair, is the result of the food we eat. But what good does it do to select high quality food if its nutrients are not fully absorbed?"17

17. Weiss, Decker. "Enzymes and Probiotics are Keys to Healthy Digestion".

So, some people can tolerate milk, others can't. Our bodies are different, yet similar. Yes, we need to be concerned with all the stuff they inject in animals, plants, etc. Buy and consume organic as much as possible. But, once again, even if you buy organic, do you know the soils in which it is grown in. So, just make the best choices you can for yourself and your family.

~Doris

 

[H2o]

Everybody in my family uses whole milk...my grandparents, greatuncles and aunts are all over 80 yrs. old.

 

[brokenbananas]

What's right for one person is not necessarily right for another.

 

[Beastt]

Everybody in my family uses whole milk...my grandparents, greatuncles and aunts are all over 80 yrs. old.

Many people also smoke, drink, eat lots of red meat, don't get enough fiber and spend long hours in the sun with no protection and still live long lives. But health isn't just about how long you live. It's about how well you live. Most older people in the U.S. and similar developed countries have two or three prescriptions they take daily for various ailments, can barely walk, have arthritis and all sorts of "little" health issues. They think nothing of these things because it's seen as being normal in such countries. Over half of all men have heart attacks, almost as many women, some spend their social time talking about their "first stroke" or how many they've had since then or the medication they're taking for this or for that and how one doctor treats them so much better than another does.

There's nothing wrong with good medical care unless you don't really need it. And a good number of these people would need far less and be able to do far more if they hadn't spent so many years dumping things into their bodies that lead to such a degeneration of the quality of life and health. Heart attacks aren't natural no matter how old you are. The same goes for strokes, diabetes, osteoporosis, arthritis and most of the other common ailments among the aged. But when they see that so many people suffer the same problems, they assume it's just part of aging. That's what this and several other threads here are really about. These things aren't normal and they're caused by years and years of ingesting things that aren't part of the nomal, natural diet for humans.

In many of the lesser developed countries where people can't afford to squander their money on food to raise animals, they live in modest houses and sometimes barely have enough to eat. But they don't have heart attacks, strokes, osteoporosis or the other diseases we have here. They may have diseases of deficiency which we don't have here, (though everyone remains sure they're not going to get enough protein), but they don't suffer the diseases we have -- diseases of excess. Either will kill you or at least degrade your quality of life.

Milk is just one of the terribly unnatural things we put our bodies through for the duration of our lives. With all the common problems people in this country suffer, they never really seem to make the connection. People who don't drink milk rarely get colds, suffer fewer allergies, have lower cholesterol rates within people with similar genes and yet people don't seem to understand that milk is the culprit. How could they? Doctors don't tell them this because they have little or no more education concerning nutrition than the average person walking the street. Nutrition isn't their game. They're there to medicate you after the problem strikes not suggest a diet that will prevent it to begin with.

Anecdotal information about people living a normal long life isn't the significan't part. People have been known to live normal life spans with arrows stuck through their skull. I'd still avoid suggesting that it wasn't a negative health issue. It's what kind of life people live and how much longer and more happily they could have lived if the information had been presented to them at an early age. Unfortunately, people who grow up believing in even an, unsubstantiated diet are very rarely going to change their mind despite the fact that there is little data to support what they've been taught and staggering amounts of new data to show that what they were taught is wrong and detrimental to their life and happiness.

 

[brokenbananas]

But health isn't just about how long you live. It's about how well you live.

I get mocked at all the time from people that tell me that they want to eat what they want when they want, otherwise they can't enjoy life. Why live life if you can't enjoy it? I totally enjoy good health and it's not worth eating **** when I can make better choices. But, like you said in the next paragraph, people think all these things are normal, when they really aren't if they make good food, lifestyle choices for their bodies.

There's nothing wrong with good medical care unless you don't really need it. And a good number of these people would need far less and be able to do far more if they hadn't spent so many years dumping things into their bodies that lead to such a degeneration of the quality of life and health. Heart attacks aren't natural no matter how old you are. The same goes for strokes, diabetes, osteoporosis, arthritis and most of the other common ailments among the aged. But when they see that so many people suffer the same problems, they assume it's just part of aging. That's what this and several other threads here are really about. These things aren't normal and they're caused by years and years of ingesting things that aren't part of the nomal, natural diet for humans..

I have people tell me that they are getting arthritis because of old age. I tell them that's baloney and they can live life WITHOUT arthritis. They need to make sure to eat a diet right for them, do plenty of stretching, make sure there are no skeletal subluxations, proper building of muscles, good functioning of the systems in their bodies, etc. A person CAN grow old without experiencing arthritis.

Sure, some people probably have a great genetic predisposition for arthritis or other diseases. All that means is that they have to pay more attention and make even better choices for their body. People often just either don't know, but many CAN know. The information is out there, but people really just don't want to do this because it takes work, effort, persistency, faithfulness, discipline to this.

Anyway, I thought this was a good post, Dan.

~Doris

 

[Beastt]

Thank you, Doris.

It's so true what you said about many people having access to the information but just not wanting it. I guess they feel it's better to bury their head in the sand and hope the raveges of outdates, unhealthy eating habits won't affect them. I'm sure smoking had to take a similar path to becoming common knowledge. First you have to walk over all of those people who think that denying the truth somehow changes the truth.

Thanks again

 

[angelnstix]

Milk does the body GOOD!!!!!
Drink up!!