What's wrong with evolution?

[AV1611VET]

I'm taking your word that you blinked it into existance a millionth of a second ago! Just because it LOOKS 2 months old doesn't mean it IS two months old. I'll take your word whatever way you like... it can be a second old or two months old. But if you blinked it into existance a second ago, no matter how old it LOOKS doesnt change how old it IS

Unbelievable --- simply unbelievable.

Your unwillingness to co-operate with my scenario, as I conveyed it, is confusing you, isn't it?

Let's try yet something else:

I blink an apple into existence that's good and juicy.

Is it ripe?

 

[DailyBlessings]

Unbelievable --- simply unbelievable.

Your unwillingness to co-operate with my scenario, as I conveyed it, is confusing you, isn't it?

Let's try yet something else:

I blink an apple into existence that's good and juicy.

Is it ripe?

You get something out of a ripe apple. What purpose would there be in advancing light waves trillions of miles across the universe just to confuse folks? Or planting fossils?

 

[LightHorseman]

Your unwillingness to co-operate with my scenario, as I conveyed it, is confusing you, isn't it?

I thought I'm co-operating completely! I swear I'm not trying to be obtuse!

I blink an apple into existence that's good and juicy.

Is it ripe?

It is ripe. It is also only a second or two old.

 

[dawiyd]

AV1611VET, define "age".

 

[rmwilliamsll]

You get something out of a ripe apple. What purpose would there be in advancing light waves trillions of miles across the universe just to confuse folks? Or planting fossils?

because it allows those who are privy to the secrets of the KJV to see the world as it really is, behind the fascade that everyone else sees and is stuck with. it is a form of gnostic esoteric knowledge mixed with a bit of manichaean demigod creating an evil and tricky world, where only the truely spiritual can see the god behind the curtain or underneath the deceptive physical illusion. This allows one to claim that faith is despite the obvious physical appearances which are obviously the work of satan and his minions the evilutionists.

there is truely nothing new under the sun.

 

[AV1611VET]

You get something out of a ripe apple. What purpose would there be in advancing light waves trillions of miles across the universe just to confuse folks? Or planting fossils?

God didn't plant fossils. There was no death until Adam introduced it into the universe in Genesis 3. I'm more concerned with the events two chapters before that.

Light is a different subject, and falls under the category more of the Gospel of Salvation (soteriology) than it does creation (believe it or not).

The light was not put there to confuse anyone. Just the opposite, actually. It was put there as a pictograph of the Gospel.

If you study the constellations, they convey the plan of salvation.

q.v. Psalm 19

Remember: Adam named the animals, but God, Himself named the stars.

[bible]Psalm 147:4[/bible]

 

[AV1611VET]

AV1611VET, define "age".

Age, as it applies today, is a physical change in matter due to the advancement of time.

 

[Opcode42]

No, actually the stars were mostly named by various Arab peoples, none of whom were Christian.

As to your problem with the word age, it is exactly that, you do not understand what the wrod age means. You have your own personal definition which is not the same as used by the rest of the world. Your personal defintioon has no connection to the passage of time, it is a philosophical stance, not an actual descriptor.

Age requries the passage of time. Time is a property of our universe. Thus if something arrived in our universe 1 second ago, it is one second old even if that something is a man with the appearance of being 30 years old.

You will never win this argument, becuase your ideas are not supported by reality. They are a flimsy excuse for you to avoid being lumped in with the type of Creationist that is most derided as ignorant, by non-creationists.

Sorry again, but like I said, if it looks acts, and talks like a YEC, it probably is a YEC. You are indeed a YEC, just a very special type of one.

 

[Opcode42]

And here you even admit it. Age requires the advancment of time. Time is part of our universe. Time does not exist beyond our universe. Therefore any object outside this universe(assuming for the sake of argument that such is possible), is of no age at all.

 

[dawiyd]

Age, as it applies today, is a physical change in matter due to the advancement of time.

Why is it a change in matter? Somethings can exist for X amount of time and not change.

Dictionary.com states age as

Age  –noun
1. the length of time during which a being or thing has existed; length of life or existence to the time spoken of or referred to: trees of unknown age; His age is 20 years.

What you fail to grasp is, you cannot embed age into an object that has only just came into existence. You can make it appear older, but doesn't mean that it has age embedded into it.

These analogies you keep using, just demonstrate the point. Yes you can create an apple that is fresh and ripe, but still doesn't change the fact it's age starts from the moment it was created, all this notion of embedding age is logical fallacy.

 

[DailyBlessings]

Age, as it applies today, is a physical change in matter due to the advancement of time.

If that is the determination, then age can be determined by the amount of change that has occurred. Ergo, your apple is several months old, regardless of what point it was created.

 

[LightHorseman]

Somethings can exist for X amount of time and not change.

except that they get x amount of time older

 

[dawiyd]

Age, as it applies today, is a physical change in matter due to the advancement of time.

except that they get x amount of time older

Yes, but he was talking about a change of matter.

 

[LightHorseman]

Ergo, your apple is several months old, regardless of what point it was created.

I disagree with your conclussion. Hypothetically, the apple is a second old, even though for ALL intents and purposes, it is ripe and weeks old.

So IF God created the universe 6000 years ago, with age in built, it APPEARS 14 billion years old, but IS 6000 years old.

However I think its easier to work with the idea that God just created the universe 14 Billion years ago. Although I THINK I get what AV is saying. Its kinda like "last Tuesdayism".

 

[LightHorseman]

Yes, but he was talking about a change of matter.

(wow, heres pointlessly intricate semantics for you)

getting older is a matter of matter, even if no OBSERVABLE change occurs, there is an intinsic change

 

[Tomk80]

Unbelievable --- simply unbelievable.

Your unwillingness to co-operate with my scenario, as I conveyed it, is confusing you, isn't it?

Let's try yet something else:

I blink an apple into existence that's good and juicy.

Is it ripe?

Yes. And it is also just as old as it has been in existence. If you blinked it into existence 1 second ago and it is ripe, you have now a 1 second old, ripe apple. What's the hard point to get AV? Something is as old as it is in existence. That is the very definition of old, no matter how much you want to change that definition.

 

[Tomk80]

If that is the determination, then age can be determined by the amount of change that has occurred. Ergo, your apple is several months old, regardless of what point it was created.

que? If age is defined by change due to time, age starts only at the point where existence starts. His very own definition determines age by the point where it came into existence.The apple is a second old, no matter that it is nice and juicy like it's been growing on a tree for a number of weeks. It's a second old, because it came into existence a second ago.

 

[Baggins]

II get what AV is saying. Its kinda like "last Tuesdayism".

That's Last Thursdayism

Heretic

 

[USincognito]

All this talk of "age" is a red herring, since the real logical problem is the appearance of "history", not just age.

I also think AV claiming he's not a YEC is a perfect example of Wikiality.

 

[AV1611VET]

All this talk of "age" is a red herring, since the real logical problem is the appearance of "history", not just age.

I also think AV claiming he's not a YEC is a perfect example of Wikiality.

Wikiality or Wikiolatry?