Whats wrong with D&D

[pyrolizzard]

Can any one give me a good reason that I shouldn't play Dungeons and Dragons? I've heard it to be "bad" or "evil."

In The Bondage Breaker by Neil T. Anderson, it refers to D&D as occult
Dictionary.com: oc·cult
adj.

1. Of, relating to, or dealing with supernatural influences, agencies, or phenomena.
2. Beyond the realm of human comprehension; inscrutable.
3. Available only to the initiate; secret: occult lore. See Synonyms at mysterious
4. Hidden from view; concealed.
5. 1. Medicine. Detectable only by microscopic examination or chemical analysis, as a minute blood sample.
   2. Not accompanied by readily detectable signs or symptoms: occult carcinoma.

None of the definitions match what the game is:

it is a pen and paper game ITS NO DIFFERNT THAN TELLING STORIES

I dont think its at all satanic, but some people would argue that

I think there are so many games out there that it is more useful to talk about guidelines for when a game is wrong or acceptable. Here are some guidelines I would like to suggest:

There are levels of evil in games:

6. The most evil games tend to start with what looks like an innocent game but they lead some of the gamers into witchcraft, psychic powers, false gods, and satanism. Example: Dungeons & Dragons - eventually they added an entire book on false gods for the players characters to take on. Modern false gods and the true Christ God were omitted. The game makes heavy use of magic - and this came make a game interesting but it can also lead into people experimenting with trying to do real evil magic against somebody.

5. The next most evil games do not involve witchcraft, psychic powers, false gods, or satanism; but they are very focused on graphic violence and/or sexual fantasy images. This could lead a player into real violence and/or pornography.

4. The next level of games have only non-graphic violence and no sexual imagery, no false gods, no satanism, no witchcraft, and no psychic powers; however the theme of the game is still warlike. An example might be a game where the gamer is playing the role of general for a war against the bad guys that it is okay to kill. Such a game is not too bad but it could encourage the player to believe that war is good when it generally is not good at all.

3. The next level is like 4 only more innocent - Pac Man eating his enemies, Mario bros getting attacked and losing a life. This is about the level that I tend to use.



I think it is important to teach children that even though killing is fun and okay in a game, in reality it is not fun at all and can lead to a lifetime of regrets.



I have thought about making a game that is even better - the theme is a paintball game simulation in zero gravity. But the paint is used not to simulate killing the opponent but rather to paint them a different color and thus "convert" them to a different team where each team has a color. It is better than many games because it is a conversion game rather than a kill game, somewhat like Christianity and converting unbelievers rather than killing them.

(I figured it would be best to include the whole post: what i was pointing to was entry "6")

I mean they did release an accesory of false gods, but they were ALL MADE UP Cristianity isnt the only religion left out of the book, Greek, Budism, Hinduism, THERE IS NO REAL RELIGEONS/(FAKE)GODS IN THERE.

so i ask for an oppinion

and if it was satanic would they make this shirt: designed by Erol Otus a famous artist that feature a fault of work in D&D books and accesories


http://www.jinx.com/images/products/283bgBlack.jpg

well those are the arguments i have for a start

please tell me your views


God Bless :yro-::

 

[LaLaRu]

See, the thing about Dungeons and Dragons is that it's customizable.

The DM can go "There will be no mage class or magical items in this game." if he wants to and it would be so. Of course, everyone would have to play Monk or start thinking about ways to get around Damage Reduction.

OR, the DM can go "Players can play as Ogres and Vampires and Juju Zombies, and other nasty stuff. Oh, and all divine magic really comes from Nameless Elder Gods" and run a really evil game.

The D&D rules are "how to build a world." The DM still has to build it.

 

[Lignoba]

Yes, they did add an entire book for dieties. They are meant to be completely fake, they are made for story purposes. And come on, there is not one person that can say for absolute certainty that there is a God and give evidence of it that isnt a book written who knows how long ago.

Its a game, its not a method of promoting satanism, I even played it a few months ago as a righteous holy person who did what was good for his community even if it meant the group had to suffer.

 

[Lignoba]

It is better than many games because it is a conversion game rather than a kill game, somewhat like Christianity and converting unbelievers rather than killing them."

Not the best position to take, and I find it offensive to be told that it is a motive of Christianity to convert non-believers.

 

[pyrolizzard]

The point I was trying to reach was that its NOT satanic like every one assumes

God Bless :yro-::

 

[seebs]

The point I was trying to reach was that its NOT satanic like every one assumes

God Bless :yro-::

"Everyone" is actually a vanishingly small group now. It was a more popular belief in the 80s, but I guess Pat Pulling must have gotten therapy or something.

 

[Lignoba]

MOD EDIT. I think if kids arent subjected to these in games, they will be subjected to them in real life. We can control a game, we cant control life.

 

[willard3]

Ok guys, let's not turn this into personal attacks here. Even though I am inclined to agree, this is not the place to talk about it. *wannabe-mod hat off*

I agree with everyone else. If you want it to be satanic, then it can be. People I know that play D&D sometimes use these false gods (paladin characters, for instance), but they realize that IT IS A GAME, NOT REAL-LIFE. I don't see the games affecting their lives in demonic ways.

 

[Lignoba]

MOD EDIT

Wait... what exactly constitutes Christian gaming? I see this idea of a person going to church and the point of the game is trying to stay awake long enough to hear the entire sermon.

 

[CyberPaladin]

Willard I have partially disagree with you and everyone D&D came problematic and lead Christians away from Christ if we become obessed with it naturally of course it could become a stumbling block but so could being pro life activist, working for charity and any of number other very good activities if we allow the focus of our life to shift from God to these other things. So just to make it prefectly clear I'm saying that D&D can be a stumbling block like most things in our lives.

 

[Tucan]

D&D is no more of a stumbling block than other games out there. If the DM chose to, he could have the only diety be the One Diety, and I'm guessing anyone would agree that in and of itself, that would not be bad.

 

[zoziw]

MOD HAT ON

Please stay on topic and not single out individual members of CF.

zoziw

MOD HAT OFF

 

[Solomon Kane]

Some of the truth about Pat Pulling and her position on D&D,
http://www.rpg.net/sites/252/quellen/stackpole/pulling_report.html

Some additional informtion,
http://www.locksley.com/6696/rpgsatan.htm

 

[willard3]

Yes, if you play too much and think about it too much, it can become a problem, and I know a couple people for whom this is true. Their grades drop, as well as their social lives.

But this can be applied to almost any entertainment today.

 

[Scorcher505]

Dungeons and Dragons is not evil. There is nothing that makes it evil. What started the whole deal was a few geeks that took it too far and reinacted it in real life and killed each other. Sad that the few can have the loudest voice.

 

[CyberPaladin]

Dungeons and Dragons is not evil. There is nothing that makes it evil. What started the whole deal was a few geeks that took it too far and reinacted it in real life and killed each other. Sad that the few can have the loudest voice.

Guys I'm sure have a few of the teenage wannabe paganss have tried to use the spells from the D&D manuals especially back in the 80's. That just shows there willingness to buy into sterotypes though not whether or not D&D is evil.

 

[willard3]

Hence why the gaming club at my school swears to never LARP again (live-action role-play), due to one previous member many years back who was on the verge of committing suicide because her character's life started merging with hers. Eventually she apparently checked into an asylum due to schizophrenia, the administration wanted to know what was up, and we haven't LARPed ever since.

 

[DrFate]

It was made by a preacher for his children originally i thought. Evil, satanic, nooo. To complicated and rules oriented for me, yes. Was the original such a joke they re-released it a joke game called Hack Master, yes.
KILL THE ORK.
I like playing Paladins and Celestial half breeds.
My favortie RPG god is NODENS (cofC) Nodens can rescue you but you never know where Nodes will drop you oof!

 

[CyberPaladin]

I would caution anyone think of getting involved D &D and other any Role playing game only because that be very involved and it could cause you to comprise the time you spend with God. What I'm trying to say is you want to be careful about the group you get involved with I've seen them both ways the one were it's something fun you do on weekends and groups were it's an intense almost devoted part of your life. I'm just saying the group and there attitude can define the game sometimes more than the game it's self.

 

[willard3]

Just what I think, CP.

Get to know the people you game with BEFORE you game with them. Otherwise you could get sucked into a life-consuming 'hobby'.

And if it's too rule-oriented, I recommend a good White Wolf game like Aberrant or Mage.